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06-22-2009, 01:47 PM
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Joe Thornton or Patrick Marleau

If SJ was to shake up their team in a big way and trade one of their big centers, which would be more likely to be traded?

Which of them would be able to fetch the most in the trade?

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06-22-2009, 02:14 PM
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Thornton easily. Signed longer, and is actually a legit 1st liner.

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Why don't the Sharks swap Marleau or Thornton for Heatley? I know Heatley has the bigger contract, but the Sharks could use a shake-up, and while Heatley isn't exactly the hardest worker around, he is a PPG player in the playoffs.

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why would ottawa want marleau....he is damn close to being a simple salary dump

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why would ottawa want marleau....he is damn close to being a simple salary dump
Last year he had 1 point less than Heatley. Marleau was +16, Heatley was -11. He makes less money than Heatley.

How is he a salary dump, exactly?

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Joe and Spezza down the middle in Ottawa would be pretty scary.
go up against Malkin/Crosby pretty well.....

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Montreal are looking for a center. Joe Thornton for Carey Price, Andrei Kostitsyn and Josh Georges

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Thornton easily. Signed longer, and is actually a legit 1st liner.
How is he not a legit 1st liner?

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Last year he had 1 point less than Heatley. Marleau was +16, Heatley was -11. He makes less money than Heatley.

How is he a salary dump, exactly?
Lots of people, including my self, don't hold Marleau at the same level most sharks fans do. And that comparison doesnt really make any sense, Marleau came off a career year, while Heater and the Sens just played their worst season since the lockout .

Do an analysis over the last 5 years....or compare the two players on last years numbers (same as your comparison). Heatley >> Marleau.

HOWEVER, even though I am not a Marleau fan, I do think he has same trade value. The issue is I doubt the Sharks could get a high return for him, and would probably get less than that of a 30+ goal scorer should return. The lower return is due to the lack of playoff success the sharks of had over the past few years.

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I think the better question is, how is Marleau considered a 1st liner.

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Last year he had 1 point less than Heatley. Marleau was +16, Heatley was -11. He makes less money than Heatley.

How is he a salary dump, exactly?
how was he december on? on the best team in hockey all season? he seems unispired at the best of times....i have seen him live many times too.

i look at him as a salary dump..... he is a gigantic let down every playoffs. you guys would have moved him long ago if it werent for the ntc...but feel free to keep him if you think he is such a good bargain

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Marleau is usually pretty good in the playoffs.

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how was he december on? on the best team in hockey all season? he seems unispired at the best of times....i have seen him live many times too.

i look at him as a salary dump..... he is a gigantic let down every playoffs. you guys would have moved him long ago if it werent for the ntc...but feel free to keep him if you think he is such a good bargain
Good times.

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I think the better question is, how is Marleau considered a 1st liner.
...So you're not gonna explain how's he not a first liner?

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...So you're not gonna explain how's he not a first liner?
He's simply not that good.

He's a player who has benefited greatly from Joe taking the pressure off him. Before the Sharks got Joe, Patty was a 50-60 point player.

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Last year he had 1 point less than Heatley. Marleau was +16, Heatley was -11. He makes less money than Heatley.

How is he a salary dump, exactly?
Not that I agree that Marleau is a salary dump, but are you actually comparing the +/- of a player on the best regular season team to that of a player on the 08-09 Ottawa Senators?

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dear lord you people are rediculous.

Seriously, this thread is nearly trolling.

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Thornton easily. Signed longer, and is actually a legit 1st liner.
Marleau is as legit a 1st liner as you get. There's not even a debate to be had about it. I won't even justify it with an explanation, it's bee done, repeatedly.

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Why don't the Sharks swap Marleau or Thornton for Heatley?
Because Marleau is a better all around player without an attitude disorder? Heatley is better offensively, but not by a lot. Marleau is dramatically better defensively than Heatley.

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he is a gigantic let down every playoffs
Wrong. He is one of our best players in the playoffs, consistently. Nearly a ppg, gwg after gwg, and he loves his team. He had a severe injury this offseason, and he STILL played pretty solid. His only issue is he is not a vocal leader, that is it.

Marleau propped some pretty poor play by Big Joe for a large portion of the regular season. The idea that it was the other way around simply means you didn't watch a Sharks game this season. I watched every single one.

I would take JT over Marleau as well, mostly because he makes others around him better and sells tickets. I don't mind if you don't like a player, but back it up with some fact.

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dear lord you people are rediculous.

Seriously, this thread is nearly trolling.



Marleau is as legit a 1st liner as you get. There's not even a debate to be had about it. I won't even justify it with an explanation, it's bee done, repeatedly.



Because Marleau is a better all around player without an attitude disorder? Heatley is better offensively, but not by a lot. Marleau is dramatically better defensively than Heatley.



Wrong. He is one of our best players in the playoffs, consistently. Nearly a ppg, gwg after gwg, and he loves his team. He had a severe injury this offseason, and he STILL played pretty solid. His only issue is he is not a vocal leader, that is it.

Marleau propped some pretty poor play by Big Joe for a large portion of the regular season. The idea that it was the other way around simply means you didn't watch a Sharks game this season. I watched every single one.

I would take JT over Marleau as well, mostly because he makes others around him better and sells tickets. I don't mind if you don't like a player, but back it up with some fact.
Marleau carried Thornton through most of the season, but most people don't realize that.

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If SJ was to shake up their team in a big way and trade one of their big centers, which would be more likely to be traded?

Which of them would be able to fetch the most in the trade?
Both have NTC /thread. If they were forced to lift it or face waivers (a la Boyle) the return would be ****.

but...

If you must know...two 6th rounders a piece, so it's a tie.

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Lots of people, including my self, don't hold Marleau at the same level most sharks fans do. And that comparison doesnt really make any sense, Marleau came off a career year, while Heater and the Sens just played their worst season since the lockout .

Do an analysis over the last 5 years....or compare the two players on last years numbers (same as your comparison). Heatley >> Marleau.

HOWEVER, even though I am not a Marleau fan, I do think he has same trade value. The issue is I doubt the Sharks could get a high return for him, and would probably get less than that of a 30+ goal scorer should return. The lower return is due to the lack of playoff success the sharks of had over the past few years.
Wait, What?

Last year was like Marleau's 3rd or 4th best year in the NHL. Not his career year. It was the most goals he has scored in a season, but nowhere near his top point totals.

It is hard to say a guy who has averaged a PPG in 3 of the last 4 seasons isn't a top line player. Especially with the skill set he has. Fast, good defensively, goal scorer, etc.

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I'm going to post this in every thread I see which includes the words "Patrick Marleau" and "Playoff Choker"

since 2002, in the playoffs Patrick Marleau

leads the NHL in GWG (10)
is 2nd in goals at even strength (18)
is 2nd in total goals scored (1 behind Zetterberg with 32)
is tied for 1st in SHG (3)
is tied for 3rd in PPG (11)

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Jason Spezza and Dany Heatley?

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i look at him as a salary dump..... he is a gigantic let down every playoffs. you guys would have moved him long ago if it werent for the ntc...but feel free to keep him if you think he is such a good bargain
You can look at him however you want, doesn't mean it's true. he is not a let down in the playoffs, you have him mixed up with Thornton. He's a good value to have during the playoffs. He gets clutch goals, not just gwg's in a 5-2 domination type of game. For example the two games the Sharks won in the playoffs this year, Marleau had the gwg in both of them. One of them was a OT winner and the other was a mid (maybe late) 3rd period winner.

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He's simply not that good.

He's a player who has benefited greatly from Joe taking the pressure off him. Before the Sharks got Joe, Patty was a 50-60 point player.
Before Joe Patty wasn't in his prime and Patty was a 1st liner. So to say he's barely a 1st liner is faulty considering he was the solid 1st line center before Joe came. In fact the debate was if he should go to the second line or switch to wing when Joe was traded for. Why would you debate that if he's a fringe 1st liner?
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Montreal are looking for a center. Joe Thornton for Carey Price, Andrei Kostitsyn and Josh Georges
DW has publicly state the Thornton (along with Boyle) will not be traded this off season, he has not said anything similar in relation to Marleau (or Nabokov). That's the main reason for his name getting thrown around the most in trade ideas with the Sharks.

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Pronger for Thornton, do you dare?

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I'm going to post this in every thread I see which includes the words "Patrick Marleau" and "Playoff Choker"

since 2002, in the playoffs Patrick Marleau

leads the NHL in GWG (10)
is 2nd in goals at even strength (18)
is 2nd in total goals scored (1 behind Zetterberg with 32)
is tied for 1st in SHG (3)
is tied for 3rd in PPG (11)
Why are you trying to mis-lead everyone?

he has 20 points in his last 36 playoff games, that's pathetic

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