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06-24-2009, 10:38 AM
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to Philly:

Jay Bouwmeester
Conditional 3rd in 2010 (if Bouwmeester signs elsewhere)

to Florida:
Joffery Lupul
Conditional 1st in 2010 (if Bouwmeester signs with Philly)

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06-24-2009, 10:38 AM
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And how do you take on Lupul's $4.25 mil salary with Horton, Stillman, Olesz and presumely Booth making big money? If you get Lupul, you'll have one of those guys making well over $3 million dollars playing on the third line.
Depth scoring throughout your lineup is not a bad thing.

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06-24-2009, 10:39 AM
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And how do you take on Lupul's $4.25 mil salary with Horton, Stillman, Olesz and presumely Booth making big money? If you get Lupul, you'll have one of those guys making well over $3 million dollars playing on the third line.
Well when your highest cap hit for a forward is $4million, you can have more average talent making money on your team.

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Florida is pretty much getting Lupul for free. So I would say, fans should love the deal

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And how do you take on Lupul's $4.25 mil salary with Horton, Stillman, Olesz and presumely Booth making big money? If you get Lupul, you'll have one of those guys making well over $3 million dollars playing on the third line.
I'm not a Panthers fan, but If you get offered a decent - good player for a guy your going to lose for nothing then you take it and figure the rest out later. Maybe trade one of those forwards and get something else you need.

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06-24-2009, 10:45 AM
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The Panthers have stated in the press that they feel they have only two holes to fill, a second line center and a puck moving blueliner to replace Bouw. They have already acquired the second line center and their remaining thing on their plate is getting that blueliner. That's where the bucks will be spent on new player. All other additions will be low payroll types or draft picks.

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06-24-2009, 10:45 AM
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I don't understand how people think Lupul and JVR is fair value for Bouwmeester.

Look at the past players that were traded for negotiation rights.

The biggest return was a 1st round pick and that was for Kimmo Timonen AND Scott Hartnell.

Yet somehow, a 2nd overall pick from 2 years ago and a young 25 goal scorer makes sense?

I know Bouwmeester is good, but this is still just for a few days of being able to talk to the guy...that's it.

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06-24-2009, 10:47 AM
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SPECTOR'S NOTE: I can certainly see the Flyers having interest in Bouwmeester but not the Canucks or Flames. The Canucks are already deep on the blueline and need more offense while the Flames aren't swapping Phaneuf for Heatley, especially now that they've hired Phaneuf's former Junior coach Brent Sutter as their new head coach. As for the Oilers, it's because they've already got plenty of expensive puck-moving defensemen.

I don't know why he doesn't think the Flames or Canucks would be interested. The Canucks were one of the most interested teams at the the deadline, and with Ohlund gone this summer, they have the cap space and the spot open on the 1st pairing.

Calgary would also have space due to Aucoin's 4+ million contract coming off the books. I'm sure Sutter has at least toyed with the notion of Bouwmeester-Phaneuf on the first pairing.

But IMO, the most likely teams to sign him if he reaches July 1st are Anahiem (no Neidermayer), Toronto (no Kaberle) or Montreal (no Komisarek). These are the teams that can potentially overpay him 7+ million to sign.

I can't see Philly acquiring him unless Briere is traded.

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06-24-2009, 10:47 AM
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Florida should take the deal... They had a price that was too high at the deadline, which is fine because thats when teams are desperate, but they kept Jay to make the playoffs and failed. Get something for the guy before you end up with nothing. I dont see any other team thats going to give up a top 6 25-30 goal forward. JVR is not being "thrown in", bwahahahaha "thrown in"

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06-24-2009, 10:54 AM
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And how do you take on Lupul's $4.25 mil salary with Horton, Stillman, Olesz and presumely Booth making big money? If you get Lupul, you'll have one of those guys making well over $3 million dollars playing on the third line.
Good thing Olesz sucks and DeBoer rolls all lines more or less in unison then huh.

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06-24-2009, 10:56 AM
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Would Florida fans be satisfied with that deal? I know you may lose Jay for nothing, but that doesn't seem like a particularly significant return. I think Florida would want Van RiemsDyk thrown in for good measure.
There is no way in hell Philly would trade JVR for 1 week of negotiation rights. I feel like the reason they trade Lupul is to make room for JVR. By all accounts JVR is a can't miss prospect ?


As a Panther fan of course I would like JVR...but that doesn't seem realistic.

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Spector doesn't understand that the Canucks are looking for offense, but from the blueline. We have one 'puck-moving' defenceman and made of glass.

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well u have to do that if ur Florida

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I think the Panthers would take Carle and Lupul straight up. If offered, of course. The Flyers would want a contract ready to be signed right after Bouwmeester gets off the plane.

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06-24-2009, 11:05 AM
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And how do you take on Lupul's $4.25 mil salary with Horton, Stillman, Olesz and presumely Booth making big money? If you get Lupul, you'll have one of those guys making well over $3 million dollars playing on the third line.
Horton (4): 17:51 TOI/22 goals-23 assists, 45 pts
Stillman (3.533): 16:35 TOI/17 goals-32 assists, 49 pts
Olesz (3.125): 15:30/11 goals-19 assists, 30 pts (Took his career high totals)
Booth (???): 17:05 TOI/31 goals-29 assists, 60 pts,

Lupul (4.25): 15:41 TOI/25 goals-25 assists, 50 points.

When factoring in TOI, Lupul would be a top line winger for the Panthers. Honestly, the only thing holding Lupul back from being a 65-70 point scorer is getting ice time. He got 18+ minutes 2 years ago and put up 46 points in 56 games. That's the type of production I could see him getting for a team like Florida with increased opportunities at ES and on the PP. Something like 35 goals and 32 assists. At worst, he's a guy who will put up 20-25 goals for you.

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06-24-2009, 11:10 AM
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Horton (4): 17:51 TOI/22 goals-23 assists, 45 pts
Stillman (3.533): 16:35 TOI/17 goals-32 assists, 49 pts
Olesz (3.125): 15:30/11 goals-19 assists, 30 pts (Took his career high totals)
Booth (???): 17:05 TOI/31 goals-29 assists, 60 pts,

Lupul (4.25): 15:41 TOI/25 goals-25 assists, 50 points.

When factoring in TOI, Lupul would be a top line winger for the Panthers. Honestly, the only thing holding Lupul back from being a 65-70 point scorer is getting ice time. He got 18+ minutes 2 years ago and put up 46 points in 56 games. That's the type of production I could see him getting for a team like Florida with increased opportunities at ES and on the PP. Something like 35 goals and 32 assists. At worst, he's a guy who will put up 20-25 goals for you.
I'd rather have Lupul than a draft pick. This is the kind of situation where Olesz's retarded contract really hurts us. Who were his linemates when he was putting up those points ? How is Lupuls skating ? Is he a PP specialist ?

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Horton (4): 17:51 TOI/22 goals-23 assists, 45 pts
Stillman (3.533): 16:35 TOI/17 goals-32 assists, 49 pts
Olesz (3.125): 15:30/11 goals-19 assists, 30 pts (Took his career high totals)
Booth (???): 17:05 TOI/31 goals-29 assists, 60 pts,

Lupul (4.25): 15:41 TOI/25 goals-25 assists, 50 points.

When factoring in TOI, Lupul would be a top line winger for the Panthers. Honestly, the only thing holding Lupul back from being a 65-70 point scorer is getting ice time. He got 18+ minutes 2 years ago and put up 46 points in 56 games. That's the type of production I could see him getting for a team like Florida with increased opportunities at ES and on the PP. Something like 35 goals and 32 assists. At worst, he's a guy who will put up 20-25 goals for you.
this is a solid observation. people's overrating/underrating on this site is just insane.

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What about Lupul,Carle and a pick
No, because if J-Bo doesn't sign, we've lost two good players in Lupul and Carle.

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Nowhere in that article does Biggane say Holmgren has offered Lupul for Bouw's rights. This just sounds like speculation from him.

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Nowhere in that article does Biggane say Holmgren has offered Lupul for Bouw's rights. This just sounds like speculation from him.
"It's believed Holmgren might be willing to swap Joffrey Lupul" makes it sound like a rumor.

Either way, who cares if it is a rumor or speculation?

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]"It's believed Holmgren might be willing to swap Joffrey Lupul" makes it sound like a rumor[/B].

Either way, who cares if it is a rumor or speculation?
Those are Spector's words, not Biggane's. It sounds like Spector jumped the gun a little here. Biggane never says Holmgren has offered Lupul for Bouw's rights. It just sounds like he is trying to connect the dots between A)Holmgren has spoken to Sexton about trading for Bouw's rights and B)It's been 'speculated' that the Flyers might move Lupul in this deal. We already knew both those things yesterday. This article doesn't change anything. This sounds like Biggane just speculating, not reporting an actual rumor. And with Biggane, it wouldn't surprise me.

I care if it's a rumor or speculation because there's a big difference between the two. Like I said, anyone on HF could have put this scenario together yesterday with the facts we knew. My point is, people shouldn't take this in any way seriously, as a rumor.

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to Philly:

Jay Bouwmeester
Conditional 3rd in 2010 (if Bouwmeester signs elsewhere)

to Florida:
Joffery Lupul
Conditional 1st in 2010 (if Bouwmeester signs with Philly)
No because if he signs that equals Lupul and a 1st for his rights still. If its is Lupul then there has to be something else coming back. Does florida have a good 3rd line center?

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The Flyers acquired both Scott Hartnell and Kimmo Timonen for the 2007 first round pick that ended up being Jonathan Blum.

At this point, Lupul is more valuable than the 21st pick in this year's draft. It's a good trade for Florida and and great trade for Philadelphia if it goes through.

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I'd rather have Lupul than a draft pick. This is the kind of situation where Olesz's retarded contract really hurts us. Who were his linemates when he was putting up those points ? How is Lupuls skating ? Is he a PP specialist ?
Lupul is an above average skater. He's nothing special, but he's not bad. Much closer to fast than slow, but he's actually neither.

I wouldn't say he's a PP specialist, because he has the talent to create out of nothing (admittedly happens rarely), and he also has an incredible shot. He is great on the PP though, even though he didn't see too much top PP minutes with the Flyers.

The guy's got skill, it's just always been about putting it together, and getting opportunities.

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Funny I just posted on our board the Panthers would love Lupul's 25 goals, but I'm not sure the Panthers want to take on his salary considering they've openly said they're going after a puck-moving blueliner if Jay leaves with the money they would have used to resign Jay (Leopold, Spacek, etc.?)

I would love to have a sniper like Lupul, but we'd have to find a way to move some money out, like Brett Maclean's contract or even Rusty Olesz. For Philly, they've got JVR in the wings who could replace Lupul, so from Philly's perspective it makes sense to shed Lupul's salary in order to sign Bouwmeester, who'll want at least 6-7 million per year.

It does make sense for both teams IF the Panthers are willing to stretch their budget for Lupul.

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