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06-24-2009, 11:54 AM
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No because if he signs that equals Lupul and a 1st for his rights still. If its is Lupul then there has to be something else coming back. Does florida have a good 3rd line center?
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Danny Briere for Bouwmeester.
Why sarcastic? I honestly don't understand this one. I think it would be KEY for the Flyers to get rid of his salary. Then they could sign Giroux down the line.

Also this could work well for the Panthers. Briere would be more of the go to guy in Flordia and that might be what he needs to get his offensive production back to were it was in Buffalo.

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06-24-2009, 11:58 AM
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Why sarcastic? I honestly don't understand this one. I think it would be KEY for the Flyers to get rid of his salary. Then they could sign Giroux down the line.

Also this could work well for the Panthers. Briere would be more of the go to guy in Flordia and that might be what he needs to get his offensive production back to were it was in Buffalo.
Briere has NMC, he would never want to go to Florida (no offense cat fans)

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06-24-2009, 11:59 AM
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Why sarcastic? I honestly don't understand this one. I think it would be KEY for the Flyers to get rid of his salary. Then they could sign Giroux down the line.
Because whenever a Flyers fan brings up Briere's name with out the use of a sarcasm smiley the thread gets killed by a throng of people shouting about his contract. His NMC might also be an issue.


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Also this could work well for the Panthers. Briere would be more of the go to guy in Flordia and that might be what he needs to get his offensive production back to were it was in Buffalo.
I don't know if Briere is that guy, that he really cares where his offensive production is. I get the impression it is important to him that he play for a contending team. Not to say that Florida couldn't be a decent playoff team next year, just that if he went there I don't think his production would be at the front of his mind. I could be wrong though, he did sign in Philadelphia after our worst season ever, so maybe the limelight is a big deal for him.

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06-24-2009, 12:00 PM
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Funny I just posted on our board the Panthers would love Lupul's 25 goals, but I'm not sure the Panthers want to take on his salary considering they've openly said they're going after a puck-moving blueliner if Jay leaves with the money they would have used to resign Jay (Leopold, Spacek, etc.?)

I would love to have a sniper like Lupul, but we'd have to find a way to move some money out, like Brett Maclean's contract or even Rusty Olesz. For Philly, they've got JVR in the wings who could replace Lupul, so from Philly's perspective it makes sense to shed Lupul's salary in order to sign Bouwmeester, who'll want at least 6-7 million per year.

It does make sense for both teams IF the Panthers are willing to stretch their budget for Lupul.
Lupul has played very well at stretches here. If he played hard every night he could be a 40 goal scorer. Before hatcher ran him over a few years ago he was on fire. You can see it in his game, if he gets a goal early he always seems to get another. Get a hard ass coach on him, he will do very well IMO.

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That name has been brought up. Ive seen him play a few times. But how are his FO skill, PK skills, ice time? I want someone to take some pressure of Carter and Richards in those areas...

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Something (Lupul) for nothing (JBo's rights). Sounds like a good deal for the Panthers.

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Lupul's contract has to hurt his trade value quite a bit. I find it hard to believe Florida would have to add to this deal at all.

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06-24-2009, 12:14 PM
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Lupul's contract has to hurt his trade value quite a bit. I find it hard to believe Florida would have to add to this deal at all.
That's exactly what I thought - it's not a trade for nothing, it's for a Jay Bouwmeester that you know before you make the deal that he'll sign with your team at a salary less than if you're competing with 29 other teams (or whichever ones Jay wants).

Kamil Kreps is a solid defensive center. He was our top center in AHL before making the team through hard work. He's not flashy and hasn't put up much offense, but that's really not his role as a checking line/3rd line center. I think he'd have much better numbers offensively on a team like the flyers.

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That's exactly what I thought - it's not a trade for nothing, it's for a Jay Bouwmeester that you know before you make the deal that he'll sign with your team at a salary less than if you're competing with 29 other teams (or whichever ones Jay wants).

Kamil Kreps is a solid defensive center. He was our top center in AHL before making the team through hard work. He's not flashy and hasn't put up much offense, but that's really not his role as a checking line/3rd line center. I think he'd have much better numbers offensively on a team like the flyers.
1. Trading something for nothing is always a good value for the team getting something.

2. That's cool, we don't want anyone to score, we just want someone who can win faceoffs and play on the penalty kill.

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I guess I would do that deal if I was Florida as long as they don't mind paying Lupul the kind of money he is making.

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Something (Lupul) for nothing (JBo's rights). Sounds like a good deal for the Panthers.
How can Jaybo's rights be considered nothing? Please elaborate.

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what kind of salary will jay bo command

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How can Jaybo's rights be considered nothing? Please elaborate.
Will he ever play another game as a Florida Panther?

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I think this is a good deal for Florida. Lupul is not useless and given ice time will produce 25-30 goals 50-60pts. He needs good coach to motivate him. I would love to get something else from Florida like Matthias?

If this deal goes down and I really hope it does Flyers basically traded Pitkanen for Bouwmeester.

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what kind of salary will jay bo command
guessing here....6 year around 40-45 million

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1. Trading something for nothing is always a good value for the team getting something.

2. That's cool, we don't want anyone to score, we just want someone who can win faceoffs and play on the penalty kill.
He is pretty decent at faceoffs.

I still disagree with your trading for nothing - shedding salary and getting a signed Bouwmeester below market rate is not nothing per se. Besides, you guys are loaded at forward - share the wealth with us bottom-feeders!

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Funny I just posted on our board the Panthers would love Lupul's 25 goals, but I'm not sure the Panthers want to take on his salary considering they've openly said they're going after a puck-moving blueliner if Jay leaves with the money they would have used to resign Jay (Leopold, Spacek, etc.?)

I would love to have a sniper like Lupul, but we'd have to find a way to move some money out, like Brett Maclean's contract or even Rusty Olesz. For Philly, they've got JVR in the wings who could replace Lupul, so from Philly's perspective it makes sense to shed Lupul's salary in order to sign Bouwmeester, who'll want at least 6-7 million per year.

It does make sense for both teams IF the Panthers are willing to stretch their budget for Lupul.
We don't have to stretch our budget. Just don't re-sign Dvorak, and maybe Skrastins too.

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Briere has NMC, he would never want to go to Florida (no offense cat fans)
We don't want him anyway with that contract.

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Lupul has played very well at stretches here. If he played hard every night he could be a 40 goal scorer. Before hatcher ran him over a few years ago he was on fire. You can see it in his game, if he gets a goal early he always seems to get another. Get a hard ass coach on him, he will do very well IMO.



That name has been brought up. Ive seen him play a few times. But how are his FO skill, PK skills, ice time? I want someone to take some pressure of Carter and Richards in those areas...

I think Kreps has been above 50% on faceoffs his first 2 seasons in the NHL. He's a very good PK and defensive forward. He was buried on the 4th line this season so that hurt his numbers. But he has good skill. I think in time he could become a 2nd line center. Probably not in Philly, but he has that kind of potential IMO. Put him on the 3rd line with good wingers and he'll score 30-40 points.

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Lupul sure does seem to have a knack for getting traded for good dmen if true.

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How can Jaybo's rights be considered nothing? Please elaborate.
If he doesn't sign after the few days, then they're nothing. Until he signs, they're really nothing. If you can get a guarantee he'll sign, than they are extremely valuable

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I still disagree with your trading for nothing - shedding salary and getting a signed Bouwmeester below market rate is not nothing per se. Besides, you guys are loaded at forward - share the wealth with us bottom-feeders!
His rights don't guarantee a signed J-Bo though..if it does guarantee that, then the rights most certainly are not "nothing" as I"ve said.

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His rights don't guarantee a signed J-Bo though..if it does guarantee that, then the rights most certainly are not "nothing" as I"ve said.
Obviously, but I'm thinking a scenario like when you got Timmonen/Hartnell and like ours the other day with Reinprecht. I think Holmgren could convince Jay that Philly is the place to win and compete for the Cup year in and out. Jay's agent said while his preference is to be in western canada, he's not limiting himself to that. I would imagine the Panthers would let Holms negotiate a deal ahead of a signed, sealed & delivered trade to maximize the return. I know Martin isn't here anymore but even he said he'd be open to allowing Jay's agent to negotiate with potential suitors if it came to that. Since Sexton worked under Martin I would imagine the same applies.

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If the Flyers were to do this deal, it's obviously because they are truely expecting to ink Bouwmeester. Not just for a "maybe".

In such scenario, you arent dealing just for the "rights" and other teams might be willing to just offer some better offer.

If you are telling me Bouwmeester could be signed by Montreal 95% sure if we get his rights, i wouldnt hesitate offering a Higgins (which cost about half Lupul for the same 25 goals) and a conditionnal 1st rounder.

And i'm sure other teams would also.

It's not a "lupul for nothing deal". It's a fair offer, but nothing more than that.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Lupul go for J-Bo's rights, but I don't even think moving just Lupul will open enough room for what J-Bo would want. We need to cut a bit more space for it to happen. Plus if Homer doesn't think JVR will be ready for the NHL at the start of the season, he will need time on the Phantoms to start. The only way this will work would be if Homer knows he can sign J-Bo and afford him and be able to have a full roster.

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Would Florida fans be satisfied with that deal? I know you may lose Jay for nothing, but that doesn't seem like a particularly significant return. I think Florida would want Van RiemsDyk thrown in for good measure.
That's so funny. Lupul is OVERPAYMENT for the rights to Boumeester and FLA would be sending a conditional pick to Philly in this deal (most likely it would be a 2010 3rd with it conditionally jumping to a 2010 1st if J-Bo does not sign in Philly).

Picks are WAY over-valued here, just look at some of the other threads that show the % chance of 1st rnd picks actually becoming top 6 forwards. Beyond the #5 pick in any given draft there is a less than 50% chance the pick becomes a top 6 forward/top 4 dman. This year it may go as far as the #8-#10 pick before it falls off to below 50% but just think about that number for a second. Lupul is just 24 years old, scored 25 goals and 50 points and is a bonified 2nd line winger with 1st line upside (though I doubt he gets there). That's worth at least the #15 pick in almost any draft and his 4.25 mil contract for the next 4 years is just about right.

If you take a pick for J-Bo's rights then you MIGHT hit a homerun with the pick but you just might end up with a bust too and the percentages are more likely that you end up with a player far less in ability than Lupul and you also won't get them producing well for your team for another 3-5 years too. Lupul has to look very attractive to the Panters GM.

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I'd rather have Lupul than a draft pick. This is the kind of situation where Olesz's retarded contract really hurts us. Who were his linemates when he was putting up those points ? How is Lupuls skating ? Is he a PP specialist ?
When Lupul put up those numbers he had Richards as his center and he saw SOME 2nd unit PP time but nothing on the 1st PP unit. Richards seems to b a much better center for Lupul than Carter is. Richards is a feeder and Lupul is a finisher. Carter is just a hog, he keeps the puck and just scores himelf, lol. He's not much in the way of setting up Lupul for being able to use his scoring ability. Most of Lupuls goals came this year from cleaning p Carters left-overs/rebounds but I truly believe he'd have had even better numbers if he had a REAL playmaking center with him.

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