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06-24-2009, 04:29 PM
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To Los Angeles: 7th overall Pick, Ian White, Alexei Ponikarovsky
To Toronto: 5th Overall, Good Prospect like a Boyle, Mid round pick

Basicly:

7th Overall Pick and Ponikarovsky = 5th Overall
Ian White = Good prospect + mid round pick

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06-24-2009, 04:34 PM
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To Los Angeles: 7th overall Pick, Ian White, Alexei Ponikarovsky
To Toronto: 5th Overall, Good Prospect like a Boyle, Mid round pick

Basicly:

7th Overall Pick and Ponikarovsky = 5th Overall
Ian White = Good prospect + mid round pick

KULEMIN + 7 Pick for 5 Pick(Schenn) + Boyle + 4 Round Pick( San Jose)

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06-24-2009, 04:52 PM
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To LA: Picks #7,#50 & #58
To TOR: Pick #5, Brian Boyle, Tom Preissing

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06-24-2009, 04:57 PM
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Take it easy on me, boys. How about this:

To Toronto:
Kings 5th overall + D Tom Preissing

To Los Angeles:
Leafs 7th Overall + D Ian White


Why it works for Toronto:
- they draft Brayden Schenn at #5
- they still have 7 NHL D-men (not including Preissing, who Burke would likely bury anyway)

Why it works for Los Angeles:
- they dump Preissing, replacing him with a hard-working, affordable bottom-4 d-man
- they still get a high-end draft pick

Thoughts? Is there enough return for L.A. to do this, or would they rather take Schenn and walk?

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06-24-2009, 04:58 PM
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5th for 7th and kaberle...that is really what it would take.

I don't see Burke ponying it up though because he isn't guaranteed Schenn in this deal.

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06-24-2009, 05:03 PM
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5th for 7th and kaberle...that is really what it would take.
No, it really, really is not.

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06-24-2009, 05:05 PM
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Who the **** is Patrick Mullen?

I don't understand the negative reaction to this trade. It clearly only applies if the Kings are targeting MPS. So they get the player they wanted AND a top 4 d-man (who happened to be Toronto's best defenseman on many nights - he had a VERY good season).

The alternative (presuming that Lombardi wants MPS) is for LA to select MPS with the 5th pick. The Leafs could trade from 7th to 6th if Burke wasn't sure about who Phoenix selects... or, Phoenix could just select a defenseman (which they need), and Toronto comes out with Schenn anyways.

Ultimately, Lombardi is going to pick who he wants. If he wants Schenn, then Burke probably won't pay the price to trade to 5. Burke certainly won't be offering something close to the foolish deals that some LA fans are as suggesting simply to convince Lombardi to "settle" for MPS.

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Here is why we would want Ian White...

114 Blocked Shots (4th on the team)
110 Hits (4th on the team)
10 GOALS 26 points. 25 years old a plus player on a more terrible team then our own.

The main reason...

You can't afford to sign Doughty, Hickey, Teubert, Quincey, Johnson and even Drewiske if they pan out to be the players they project to be. You absolutely have to have an "Ian White", a serviceable D-man who won't cost you an arm and a leg but will pot you a few goals, play his heart out every night and not blow games.

We will have to move an asset like Hickey or Teubert in 3-4 years because we can't afford to re-sign them with Doughty and Quincey potting 40 points each.

We need a budget defenseman.
Check the standings again.

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06-24-2009, 05:06 PM
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5th for 7th and kaberle...that is really what it would take.

I don't see Burke ponying it up though because he isn't guaranteed Schenn in this deal.
That is beyond funny. Get your head checked.

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06-24-2009, 05:07 PM
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Kings don't do this. They go ahead and draft Schenn.

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06-24-2009, 05:10 PM
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To LA: Picks #7,#50 & #58
To TOR: Pick #5, Brian Boyle, Tom Preissing
Ouch. That ones a no go.

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06-24-2009, 05:21 PM
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huh?..how is this appealing to the Kings again??
Its appealing to the Kings because it makes Leafs fans happy. Shouldn't that be enough for you?

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06-24-2009, 05:37 PM
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Who the **** is Patrick Mullen?

I don't understand the negative reaction to this trade. It clearly only applies if the Kings are targeting MPS. So they get the player they wanted AND a top 4 d-man (who happened to be Toronto's best defenseman on many nights - he had a VERY good season).

The alternative (presuming that Lombardi wants MPS) is for LA to select MPS with the 5th pick. The Leafs could trade from 7th to 6th if Burke wasn't sure about who Phoenix selects... or, Phoenix could just select a defenseman (which they need), and Toronto comes out with Schenn anyways.

Ultimately, Lombardi is going to pick who he wants. If he wants Schenn, then Burke probably won't pay the price to trade to 5. Burke certainly won't be offering something close to the foolish deals that some LA fans are as suggesting simply to convince Lombardi to "settle" for MPS.



Check the standings again.
I sort of agree with this. If Schenn is the player Lombardi really wants, then it is going to cost Burke a lot to move up and get him. If Lombardi has a player in mind other than Schenn, Burke could just wait and Schenn probably falls into his lap.

That is unless Lombardi has a player in mind that he can get further down, say in the 8-12 range and one of those teams wants to move up and grab Schenn. Now that's something Burke should worry about, and he would certainly have to pay up if he covets Schenn. There's going to be some interesting poker being played here.

Personally, I would just keep the pick and take Schenn. Good #2 centers don't grow on trees.

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06-24-2009, 05:38 PM
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Here is why we would want Ian White...

114 Blocked Shots (4th on the team)
110 Hits (4th on the team)
10 GOALS 26 points. 25 years old a plus player on a more terrible team then our own.

The main reason...

You can't afford to sign Doughty, Hickey, Teubert, Quincey, Johnson and even Drewiske if they pan out to be the players they project to be. You absolutely have to have an "Ian White", a serviceable D-man who won't cost you an arm and a leg but will pot you a few goals, play his heart out every night and not blow games.

We will have to move an asset like Hickey or Teubert in 3-4 years because we can't afford to re-sign them with Doughty and Quincey potting 40 points each.

We need a budget defenseman.
The main thing you are overlooking is that moving Hickey would most certainly (assuming he pans out, otherwise there's no need to move him) bring in a cheaper option.

Right now Hickey, Teubert, and the other young defensmen are cheap. If the kings run into salary trouble they can easily trade one and get a cheaper option + extra assets in that trade. I don't think the kings need to be looking for replacements for players that haven't even begun their ELCs yet.

The only changes the kings need to make with their defense is potentially signing a cheap, veteran stay at home d-man (much like Sean O'Donnell). This can be done via free agency.

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I sort of agree with this. If Schenn is the player Lombardi really wants, then it is going to cost Burke a lot to move up and get him. If Lombardi has a player in mind other than Schenn, Burke could just wait and Schenn probably falls into his lap.

That is unless Lombardi has a player in mind that he can get further down, say in the 8-12 range and one of those teams wants to move up and grab Schenn. Now that's something Burke should worry about, and he would certainly have to pay up if he covets Schenn. There's going to be some interesting poker being played here.

Personally, I would just keep the pick and take Schenn. Good #2 centers don't grow on trees.
This. The only way Dean Lombardi doesn't draft the player he wants is if he's not available at #5. If you look back at the last two drafts Dean traded up, then traded down to get the player he wanted in Tuebert and tried to failed down but still selected the player he wanted in Hickey despite other players being thought to be better.

Bottom Line, if DL's favorite isn't selected before #5 than DL's favorite will be a king. If DL knows his guy will still be on the board at #7, he'll call Brian Burke.


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06-24-2009, 05:44 PM
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I'm very disappointed that a Kings fan made this trade.

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06-24-2009, 06:00 PM
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Doesn't sound bad unless MPS goes 6th.
There's no way Phoenix picks a forward at #6; it'll either be Cowan or OEL.

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06-24-2009, 06:03 PM
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I don't see this exact trade happening. But LA 5th to Toronto for 7th + a 2nd rounder or so (just like last year with NYI and TOR) is possible.

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06-24-2009, 06:09 PM
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More like Kaberle for 5th overall

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06-24-2009, 06:15 PM
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Gonna re-state this for all the Kings fans whos feelings are somehow hurt.

Picks 1-4 are gamebreakers. Schenn is not in that category, neither is MSP. They bring different skillsets Schenn is a playmaking center with a solid two way game, comporable to Mike Richards or more realistically Brendan Morrow.

Svenson-Paajarvi is an amazing skater with good vision who can finish, he has played with men since he was 16, his numbers are not astronomical but he has not had privelage of working with legendary coaches and the training staff we have here in North America. A good comparison is Kopitar, both skillwise and size wise Forsberg is taking it beyond the kids god given ability.

Schenn and MSP are on the same level. Different skill sets, but the same category.
They will more likely be very good second line players where your Kanes and Duchenes will be first liners.

Boyle and Purcell are both ready for offersheets. No need to include them unless your asking for the rights to talk to them for a week (which I don't think you can do anywho)

I didn't suggest Kaberle or Kubina because of their ages and bloated contracts. Doughty will be better then either of these guys will make 4-5 million when his ELC is over with the new cap coming in.


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Man some of my fellow Kings fans are just downright retarded. Kaberle to move up TWO ****ING SPOTS!?
Are you nuts? You seem to forget that just last year all it took was a 2nd rounder to trade up 2 spots! MY ****ing lord im happy that this board is not a general manager.

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06-24-2009, 06:51 PM
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Man some of my fellow Kings fans are just downright retarded. Kaberle to move up TWO ****ING SPOTS!?
Are you nuts? You seem to forget that just last year all it took was a 2nd rounder to trade up 2 spots! MY ****ing lord im happy that this board is not a general manager.
While it wouldn't take Kaberle to move up two spots, it'd take more than Ian ****ing White.

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While it wouldn't take Kaberle to move up two spots, it'd take more than Ian ****ing White.
Probably, but I would agree that it's a whole lot closer to Ian ****ing White than it is to Tomas Kaberle. (And that's coming from a guy that has been lectured by Leafs fans to not underrate Kaberle - just like about everybody on this board... )

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this is terrible for the Kings

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06-24-2009, 07:38 PM
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If Leafs can't trade up to top 3 of the draft (I highly doubt they will), they should stay put and draft BPA at 7. I don't see any reason why Toronto should give up Poni/White to go up two spots only but then again I am one of the few that doesn't see a difference between drafting Schenn/Kane and drafting MSP.

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More like Kaberle for 5th overall


man........... stay away from your crack pipe..........

how many NOOOOOOOOO's do you need on that one ???????

Let's face it.........

everything depends on MPS........

if he is available at # 7.......
we trade #5 09 ........ for #7 09 + 1st rounder 2010...........
everything else will be rejected by Lombardi........

before you guys start that overvaluing crap....
read what Lombardi said........

that means huge Overpayment or no # 5 for you.......

take it as it is...... and stop that freaking Kaberle Kaberle shoping

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