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07-13-2009, 10:02 PM
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We dont know. We are starting to think he may be on the team. However, we would prefer him to be our first callup and number 1 center in the AHL. We have several hot shot prospects at the Helm/Abdlekader age group who I imagine will all get a look/chance to make the team.

Helm is a lock

Abdlekader/Axelsson are likely the front runners for any other spots. Based on our current personnel i wont be shocked if Axelsson beats Abdlekader out of camp.

As good as Abs is this team could use another scorer rather than another grinder.
You seem to know what you're talking about... what do your defensive prospects look like? Anything coming up in the system to replace Lidstrom. Hate/love to say it but once Lidstrom is gone, your slightly above average goalies aren't going to be slightly above average any more.

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You seem to know what you're talking about... what do your defensive prospects look like? Anything coming up in the system to replace Lidstrom. Hate/love to say it but once Lidstrom is gone, your slightly above average goalies aren't going to be slightly above average any more.
there's really no way to 'replace' Lidstrom, but we've got 2 younger guys on the Wings (Kronwall and Ericsson) that we're banking on easing the transition beyond the Lidstrom years, and two blue chips in Jakub Kindl and Brendan Smith who look to be coming out of the farm system in 2 and 3-4 years, respectively.

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07-14-2009, 06:29 AM
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Speaking of the Hawks, they canned Tallon.

Honestly, he deserved it. Unfortunately, the Hawks didn't get rid of him before he cost them two of Kane, Toews and Keith.

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You seem to know what you're talking about... what do your defensive prospects look like? Anything coming up in the system to replace Lidstrom. Hate/love to say it but once Lidstrom is gone, your slightly above average goalies aren't going to be slightly above average any more.
Best chance to replace Lidstrom would be Ericsson imo. However as the poster above me said... You dont replace Lidstrom.

Even without lidstrom the trio of Kronwall, Stuart, and Rafalski provide us a rock solid core that should have the corner stones needed to build our future D-corp around with help from Ericsson, Kindl, Lebda and any other UFA/ prospect that develops.

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Best chance to replace Lidstrom would be Ericsson imo. However as the poster above me said... You dont replace Lidstrom.

Even without lidstrom the trio of Kronwall, Stuart, and Rafalski provide us a rock solid core that should have the corner stones needed to build our future D-corp around with help from Ericsson, Kindl, Lebda and any other UFA/ prospect that develops.
*cough*not to mention $7.45 in cap space*cough*

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*cough*not to mention $7.45 in cap space*cough*
Agreed but I actually like our 3 core guys.

Stuart: solid top 4 physical guy who is a good compliment for any offensive defensemen.

Rafalski: veteran Uber puck mover who is decent defensively

Kronwall: Creative puck mover/ hitter.

Take those three and plug in some lessor complimentary players and you have a solid defensive core. When you factor Ericsson in we look even better. BTW I look at Rafi/Stuart as the more important cogs, even though Kronwall is probably the best of the 3.

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Speaking of the Hawks, they canned Tallon.

Honestly, he deserved it. Unfortunately, the Hawks didn't get rid of him before he cost them two of Kane, Toews and Keith.
Really think it'll cost two of them?

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Really think it'll cost two of them?
Well, lets put it this way. The Hawks have 42.5 committed against the cap in 2010-11 right now with only 12 roster spots filled and not a single dollar towards Toews, Kane or Keith.

The only way, and I mean the only way, the Hawks can even keep two of their big 3 RFAs is going to be if they can move Campbell's absurd contract. With Campbell?

No chance. None.

If all three guys signed up for the absurdly low cap number of 4 mil a year each, the Hawks would still be at 56.5 mil with eight open roster spots.

That's why Tallon deserved to be fired. Signing Hossa was the dumbest thing he could have possibly done, even dumber than the horrendous deals he handed out to Campbell and Huet. Any team looking for marketable top line forwards just has to extend a 5 mil offer sheet to any of the three, pay the very reasonable #1 #2 #3 compensation price tag, and send Tallon a thank you card.

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Well, lets put it this way. The Hawks have 42.5 committed against the cap in 2010-11 right now with only 12 roster spots filled and not a single dollar towards Toews, Kane or Keith.

The only way, and I mean the only way, the Hawks can even keep two of their big 3 RFAs is going to be if they can move Campbell's absurd contract. With Campbell?

No chance. None.

If all three guys signed up for the absurdly low cap number of 4 mil a year each, the Hawks would still be at 56.5 mil with eight open roster spots.

That's why Tallon deserved to be fired. Signing Hossa was the dumbest thing he could have possibly done, even dumber than the horrendous deals he handed out to Campbell and Huet. Any team looking for marketable top line forwards just has to extend a 5 mil offer sheet to any of the three, pay the very reasonable #1 #2 #3 compensation price tag, and send Tallon a thank you card.
Yikes, didn't realize those numbers... Keith 10/11.

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Well, lets put it this way. The Hawks have 42.5 committed against the cap in 2010-11 right now with only 12 roster spots filled and not a single dollar towards Toews, Kane or Keith.

The only way, and I mean the only way, the Hawks can even keep two of their big 3 RFAs is going to be if they can move Campbell's absurd contract. With Campbell?

No chance. None.

If all three guys signed up for the absurdly low cap number of 4 mil a year each, the Hawks would still be at 56.5 mil with eight open roster spots.

That's why Tallon deserved to be fired. Signing Hossa was the dumbest thing he could have possibly done, even dumber than the horrendous deals he handed out to Campbell and Huet. Any team looking for marketable top line forwards just has to extend a 5 mil offer sheet to any of the three, pay the very reasonable #1 #2 #3 compensation price tag, and send Tallon a thank you card.
maybe we'll take Hoss off their hands next summer, heh.

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I'm betting Chicago eats at least one of those contracts (Campbell/Huet) and just sends them to the minors if it comes between that and losing any of Keith/Toews/Kane.

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I'm betting Chicago eats at least one of those contracts (Campbell/Huet) and just sends them to the minors if it comes between that and losing any of Keith/Toews/Kane.
I'd love to see the Blackhawks try and bury Campbell in the minors for 6 years.

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I'd love to see the Blackhawks try and bury Campbell in the minors for 6 years.
He'll be traded for a similar but less bad contract for sure if it comes to that. We NEED Keith/Toews/Kane... can live without Campbell.

Not a chance Huet is moved, not now that Khabibulin is gone. Can you imagine the disaster of Crawford/Niemi as your goalies? That might be the single worst goalie duo EVER in the NHL.

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That's why Tallon deserved to be fired. Signing Hossa was the dumbest thing he could have possibly done, even dumber than the horrendous deals he handed out to Campbell and Huet. Any team looking for marketable top line forwards just has to extend a 5 mil offer sheet to any of the three, pay the very reasonable #1 #2 #3 compensation price tag, and send Tallon a thank you card.
There's some speculation that the Campbell, Huet and Hossa signings were not Tallon's choices, but McDonaugh's (sp?).

The Hossa signing really never made sense, and neither did Campbell given the great young talent they have on offense and D. Maybe Kenny can convince the Bowman's to trade Hossa to Detroit seeing all the other free agents have left, and they'll need the cap room, as jacK also pointed out.

 
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He'll be traded for a similar but less bad contract for sure if it comes to that. We NEED Keith/Toews/Kane... can live without Campbell.

Not a chance Huet is moved, not now that Khabibulin is gone. Can you imagine the disaster of Crawford/Niemi as your goalies? That might be the single worst goalie duo EVER in the NHL.
Out of curiosity if the cap goes down ~6m and there's no roll back or amnesty buyouts, which team would take Campbell at 7m+ for 6 years?

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Out of curiosity if the cap goes down ~6m and there's no roll back or amnesty buyouts, which team would take Campbell at 7m+ for 6 years?
No team would. But we don't know if the cap is going down... everyone always says it will

The cap will not go down 6 mil, not even close. If somehow it did, the Hawks would part with the likes of Vertseeg/Sharp to sign Kane/Toews/Keith to a long term deal.

I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot with overpaying Barker/Bolland which will give Keith and Toews/Kane's agents extra bargaining chips. I am not saying the situation for next off season is very good... but it's also not the apocalypse like many would like you to think.

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No team would. But we don't know if the cap is going down... everyone always says it will

The cap will not go down 6 mil, not even close. If somehow it did, the Hawks would part with the likes of Vertseeg/Sharp to sign Kane/Toews/Keith to a long term deal.
From what it looks like you guys may have to part with Sharp this season.

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question: Does Hossa have a NTC?

Point: Some team out there, a team nearer the salary floor than the cap, will take Campbell

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Even so, they're not getting the full 7.1m cap hit off the books. No one is taking on a 7m/yr 6 year contract without giving salary back.

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question: Does Hossa have a NTC?

Point: Some team out there, a team nearer the salary floor than the cap, will take Campbell
Most likely be a "rebuild" team that is looking to make a big bang with their fans by bringing in a big name.

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Most likely be a "rebuild" team that is looking to make a big bang with their fans by bringing in a big name.
"We know that you are loyal fans, and it has been tough times recently with us missing the playoffs five years straight, so to get some more excitement in our franchase and make a "bang" with our fans, we have decided to bring in what is considered the most laughable contract in the NHL"

I'm sorry I just don't see it.

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Even so, they're not getting the full 7.1m cap hit off the books. No one is taking on a 7m/yr 6 year contract without giving salary back.
I disagree. A team like Atlanta might take on that contract for a second round pick.

Maybe the Panthers give up a $2M guy for him.

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"We know that you are loyal fans, and it has been tough times recently with us missing the playoffs five years straight, so to get some more excitement in our franchase and make a "bang" with our fans, we have decided to bring in what is considered the most laughable contract in the NHL"

I'm sorry I just don't see it.
I know it's ridiculous, but it's happened before, and it'll keep happening. The teams have hit rock-bottom, the fans are losing interest, they have a ton of salary, they get themselves some really big names to fill the seats. They'd be able to afford some big forwards, and a big name, flashy defenceman. Campbell, as ludicrous as his contract is, would still fit the bill for that type of team.

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Point: Some team out there, a team nearer the salary floor than the cap, will take Campbell
Who? His term is just way too long, and the teams sitting on the salary floor are there for a reason, Tin.

Here's the list of Dmen in the NHL making more than Campbell's ridiculous cap hit:

Chara, Lidstrom.

That's it. That's the list. Any team with an even remotely intelligent front office will know that they have about 2 trillion other options they can explore before even thinking about tying themselves to that terrible contract.

Chicago would have to package players and picks just to get someone to take that deal. No playoff team would ever want it, and no non-playoff team can afford it.

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Who? His term is just way too long, and the teams sitting on the salary floor are there for a reason, Tin.

Here's the list of Dmen in the NHL making more than Campbell's ridiculous cap hit:

Chara, Lidstrom.

That's it. That's the list. Any team with an even remotely intelligent front office will know that they have about 2 trillion other options they can explore before even thinking about tying themselves to that terrible contract.

Chicago would have to package players and picks just to get someone to take that deal. No playoff team would ever want it, and no non-playoff team can afford it.
I've already said: Atlanta is a team with the room and the need.

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