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06-26-2009, 02:59 PM
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Yeah, well he can be the "man" all he wants.

We'll just mention him in threads about the greatest players never to win the Cup and that will be that.
Who are the last 5 teams to win the Cup?

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Red Wings
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Hurricanes
Lightning

4 of them were considered JOKE franchises as recently as two years before winning the Cup. I don't think it's impossible to think that ATL could make the leap at some point, especially if they straighten out there ownership issues and get rid of Waddell.

Are you realistically expecting one of the premier hockey players on the planet to take a 50% pay cut to play in PITT or DET?

I don't think that's going to happen, and hope that ATL can continue making strides (Little, Bogo, etc) building from within.

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06-26-2009, 03:01 PM
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Really? Like having Kovalchuk alone in Atlanta is going to be a huge draw for other players? Who's he pulled into the mix on his own?
No one...

Who has Ovechkin pulled to Washington?
Who has Crosby pulled to Pittsburgh?

Yes, KOvy hasn't won anything yet... BUt he's still just 26, and is one of the top 2 goalscorers in the NHL right now. Obviously you trade him if he says he doesn't want to sign (which I doubt happens), but if you have to even overpay to keep him around, you do it.

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06-26-2009, 03:06 PM
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What has Alex Hemsky ever done that makes him worth dumping the 4th overall pick? Christ...if they can't get better than him for the 4th overall pick...then you guys are in an irreparable amount of trouble.
Hemsky is a PPG player playing with non-1st line talent, is still only 25 YO, and locked up for (I think) 3 more years at a very reasonable rate. Your assumption that every 4th round pick automatically turns out to be a signficantly better player than Ales Hemsky tells me all I need to no about your level of hockey knowledge.

Look up the production of recent 4th overall picks like Andrew Ladd or Benoit Pouilot. If you want to go back a little further - how about Bryan Allen, Pavel Brendl or Rotislav Kesla. Do you think that Jackets would rather have Kesla or Hemsky?

Add in Hemsky can step right in an contribute. I really like Kane's game, but he might not be able to step right in and contribute, and certainly won't contribute like Hemsky could in the period of time to convince IK to sign an extension. I'm not saying make another Coburn for Zhitnik trade, because Hemsky is locked up long term, and is a legit 1st liner just starting his prime years.

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06-26-2009, 03:11 PM
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He's making a dumb move if he resigns with Atlanta

I'm not trying to troll; Atlanta isn't going to be good for awhile and he's just entering his prime. It would make so much sense to sign with Detroit or Pittsburgh or someone like that (cap room aside) and bring in Cup after Cup
Atlanta isn't as far away as you think. They played pretty well at the end of last season. With a few smart moves, they will be a playoff team next year.

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06-26-2009, 03:18 PM
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Kovy has been public about how much becoming captain means to him. He says the Thrashers are his team and he wants to be to the Thashers what Stevie Y was to the Wings. Now that's a tall order to try to fill, but he wants to stay. He has also been public about the fact that he will not sign an extension until after he sees who the team brings in this summer and what their plans are going forward. It is widely expected by Thrashers fans that he will sign a 3 (or so) year extension once he does sign. Kovy wants to leave himself open, he is not a fool, but his desire first and foremost is to stay in Atlanta.

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06-26-2009, 03:19 PM
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Who are the last 5 teams to win the Cup?

Pens
Red Wings
Ducks
Hurricanes
Lightning

4 of them were considered JOKE franchises as recently as two years before winning the Cup. I don't think it's impossible to think that ATL could make the leap at some point, especially if they straighten out there ownership issues and get rid of Waddell.

Are you realistically expecting one of the premier hockey players on the planet to take a 50% pay cut to play in PITT or DET?

I don't think that's going to happen, and hope that ATL can continue making strides (Little, Bogo, etc) building from within.
Waddell is definitely a moron/dope/insert derogatory word of choice here. I certainly wouldn't suggest Kovalchuk go to Pittsburgh or Detroit...although it'd be refreshing to see someone take a pay cut for a good shot at a cup. And I admit, if Atlanta gets their **** together and can stock pile some talent...it might all come together in another few years by the time Kovalchuk's on the downside of his career. That's another consideration I suppose. How long's Kovy been in the league now? You never know when the downturn's coming...although I think he's got a ton left in him.

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06-26-2009, 03:20 PM
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No one...

Who has Ovechkin pulled to Washington?
Who has Crosby pulled to Pittsburgh?

Yes, KOvy hasn't won anything yet... BUt he's still just 26, and is one of the top 2 goalscorers in the NHL right now. Obviously you trade him if he says he doesn't want to sign (which I doubt happens), but if you have to even overpay to keep him around, you do it.
Valid points. And I agree. This is all I was looking for.

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06-26-2009, 03:22 PM
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The only thing I find helpful, accurate, and/or productive about all these "Kovalchuk's gonna leave Atlanta!" threads is that they help distract from the "Nash's gonna leave Columbus!" threads.

C'mon, folks, srsly. Not everybody is Marian Hossa.

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06-26-2009, 03:23 PM
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Atlanta isn't as far away as you think. They played pretty well at the end of last season. With a few smart moves, they will be a playoff team next year.
I agree. Their top 6 looks good right now.

I'm not sure if they have an internal cap they have to follow but I honestly think that getting someone like Gaborik will push them up to either the playoffs or right on the edge.

I also think they should look to add a shut-down D-man, but I'm not sure how many are available.

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Hemsky is a PPG player playing with non-1st line talent, is still only 25 YO, and locked up for (I think) 3 more years at a very reasonable rate. Your assumption that every 4th round pick automatically turns out to be a signficantly better player than Ales Hemsky tells me all I need to no about your level of hockey knowledge.

Look up the production of recent 4th overall picks like Andrew Ladd or Benoit Pouilot. If you want to go back a little further - how about Bryan Allen, Pavel Brendl or Rotislav Kesla. Do you think that Jackets would rather have Kesla or Hemsky?

Add in Hemsky can step right in an contribute. I really like Kane's game, but he might not be able to step right in and contribute, and certainly won't contribute like Hemsky could in the period of time to convince IK to sign an extension. I'm not saying make another Coburn for Zhitnik trade, because Hemsky is locked up long term, and is a legit 1st liner just starting his prime years.
Fair enough too. I just think they should build from the draft. Even if they're REAL close to turning the corner...why not stock the cupboard for the long haul?

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06-26-2009, 03:29 PM
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I agree. Their top 6 looks good right now.

I'm not sure if they have an internal cap they have to follow but I honestly think that getting someone like Gaborik will push them up to either the playoffs or right on the edge.

I also think they should look to add a shut-down D-man, but I'm not sure how many are available.
Yeah, Dons goal is to add a top 4 D who is a shutdown type and another top 6 forward with size. Could Kane possibly be the top 6 forward he is looking for? He also said that trade-wise, there were not many forwards to choose from and that there were a whole lot more D-men available. Look to see the #45 pick + Pavelec maybe being shopped around for a D.

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I'm not sure if they have an internal cap they have to follow but I honestly think that getting someone like Gaborik will push them up to either the playoffs or right on the edge.
Unfortunately, they do. They're going to hold salary in the neighborhood of about 46 million. This will keep Atlanta from being in the hunt for any of the really big name free agents.

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I also think they should look to add a shut-down D-man, but I'm not sure how many are available.
A top-four defensive d-man and a top six RW or C is what the team needs to add this offseason.

I don't think the Thrashers are one big name away fom anything. I tihnk adding two or three good players to fill the holes in the lineup will do more toward getting them to the playoffs than adding Gaborik and no one else.

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Fair enough too. I just think they should build from the draft. Even if they're REAL close to turning the corner...why not stock the cupboard for the long haul?
If I'm Waddell, I have to figure out how likely IK is to resign. If it's unlikely unless the Thrashers are a competetive team, I'd consider moving the 4th overall + ? for a guy like Hemsky (same age as IK, locked up 3 more years at a bargain contract, PPG player). If I think that I can get IK resigned on a slightly better team than last year, I take Kane or Schenn, and try to land a 2nd tier UFA RW'er.

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No one...

Who has Ovechkin pulled to Washington?
Who has Crosby pulled to Pittsburgh?

Yes, KOvy hasn't won anything yet... BUt he's still just 26, and is one of the top 2 goalscorers in the NHL right now. Obviously you trade him if he says he doesn't want to sign (which I doubt happens), but if you have to even overpay to keep him around, you do it.
Do you remember when Crosby was drafted? There was a RUSH of players who wanted to be the Kurri and Coffey to Crosby's Gretzky.

Palffy (who later regretted his hastiness)
Gonchar
and more.

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It depends.

I fully expect Kovalchuk to come out as a beast next season in an effort to get Atlanta into the playoffs. We saw what Kovalchuk can do in 07-08 where he held Atlanta in a playoff spot on his own for half the season. Then last year. They should be a better and more mature team next year to help him out. If Kovalchuk plays well and Lehtonen stays healthy then they have a shot at the playoffs. If they are out of it I don't believe Waddell for a second. He'll definitely trade him if he has to.

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It is a tall assumption to say that Kovy doesn't want to return. It is possible, but not something anybody would know. If it was obvious, I am sure they would deal him. I think that Atlanta should be open to offers and test the water today, but if they think they can sign him I wouldn't trade him for the moon... If it is questionable, I would definitely look at the possibilities given the talent displayed in like the top 7 picks this year, some nice prizes to be had as well as other assets. I would easily assume Kovy would net you a roster player, prospect, top 10 pick and another high/first rounder next season. It is a kings ransom, but you know someone will pay it...

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Yeah, well he can be the "man" all he wants.

We'll just mention him in threads about the greatest players never to win the Cup and that will be that.
I'm sure the threat of being mentioned in one of your faggy little threads is enough to get him to move to some contending team and play second fiddle there just to win a cup and get all the prestige Tomas Kopecky and Kirk Maltby get to bask in all day long.

He's not Hossa, he actually has the balls to do the lifting on whatever team he's on. That's a good thing.

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1st this year, 1st next year, Grabner, Bieksa, Rights to Twins

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Kovalchuk to NYI for 1st overall + Okposo?

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Wow.

I'd probably do that if I was Atlanta on theoretical return alone... but then again, I don't know the team very well so I'm not sure what the practical return would be.

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Wow.

I'd probably do that if I was Atlanta on theoretical return alone... but then again, I don't know the team very well so I'm not sure what the practical return would be.
Since the chances of the twins of signing in Atlanta are extremely close to 0... no.

Edler, Hodgson, Grabner and a 1st for Kovalchuk, Esposito and a 2nd is more like it. And if Kovalchuk is willing to stay in Atlanta long term, don't even do that.

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Since the chances of the twins of signing in Atlanta are extremely close to 0... no.

Edler, Hodgson, Grabner and a 1st for Kovalchuk, Esposito and a 2nd is more like it. And if Kovalchuk is willing to stay in Atlanta long term, don't even do that.
That right there is a good proposal. However...that's pretty much the entire stable of Canuck prospects outside of Schneider.

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Hodgson in my mind right now is untouchable.

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Yeah, well he can be the "man" all he wants.

We'll just mention him in threads about the greatest players never to win the Cup and that will be that.

Better that than a glory-hopping non-contributor like Marian Hossa. Who is still in the same boat as Kovalchuk, as we all know.

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