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06-27-2009, 12:48 AM
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How many of those were can't miss top 5 picks that any casual hockey fan would have been able to make?
Apart from the guys Burke had the foresight to trade up and grab?

Just Bobby Ryan, who everybody panned as a bust (remember?).

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I would rather have Kadri than Cowen. That is all that matters. Who cares what the Sens or their fans think.

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It worked

Leaf land wants to tear his head off
We have our heads held high with gigantic smirks

With recent history, that's no feat by any means...

This is his initiation.

Savior, savior, savior, high expectations woooooooo.

You didn't do EXACTLY what I wanted?

You're a failure.


Personally, I think Kadri's a pretty good pick, regardless of whether or not Burke or Murray planned on getting him...
At the time I was a little ticked over passing up MSP, but the more I think about it the more excited I am.

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Does anyone really believe Burke would use a top 10 pick to keep a player away from another team?

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Burke may be a loudmouth, but its laughable that there are people here who actually think he is such a dumbass. Burke brought up Kadri first, and he wasn't going to trade the 7th to Murray when he found out the Senators also wanted him.

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Burke got skunked.

Wanted Schenn, but got beat to the punch. Then got pissed about it.


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Apart from the guys Burke had the foresight to trade up and grab?

Just Bobby Ryan, who everybody panned as a bust (remember?).
No I actually thought he was the **** back when he was drafted.

And getting one Sedin without the other would have been a magnet for disaster because the dominant one would have pulled the more weak-willed one onto his team right after the weak one's ELC expired... and Burke had no way of knowing at the time which one was gonna be the dominant and which was gonna be the recessive (though now it's painfully obvious).

As for Pronger, if you were around you'll remember him hyped to be the Hedman to Daigle's Tavares (and history does have a habit of repeating itself).

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06-27-2009, 12:57 AM
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Burke may be a loudmouth, but its laughable that there are people here who actually think he is such a dumbass. Burke brought up Kadri first, and he wasn't going to trade the 7th to Murray when he found out the Senators also wanted him.
I don't think he was going to trade the 7th to Murray, regardless.

It's definitely possible that Murray wanted to goad Burke into picking Kadri, who, the Leafs might have felt the Sens wanted... but - I don't know.

I tend to agree with the perspective even Burke wouldn't go that far.

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great thread...

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With recent history, that's no feat by any means...

This is his initiation.

Savior, savior, savior, high expectations woooooooo.

You didn't do EXACTLY what I wanted?

You're a failure.


Personally, I think Kadri's a pretty good pick, regardless of whether or not Burke or Murray planned on getting him...
At the time I was a little ticked over passing up MSP, but the more I think about it the more excited I am.
I would have loved to see us grab MSP, and I think we'll regret passing on him. At the very least, I would just love to have a player with that kind of explosive skating for entertainment value alone.

That said...why are people losing their minds here? Bob McKenzie (who we all seem to love and trust) had Kadri ranked 8th overall in this draft. It's not like he's some off-the-board pick...

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Yeah but that would imply Burke thought Kadri>Cowen. For the sake of Leafs fans I'd hope Burke wasn't that stupid, him being their chief hockey executive after all, and just took Kadri out of spite while realizing that Cowen was better, but the emotional abuse he was inflicting on Murray was worth it.
It's incredibly more stupid to pick someone out of spite than to make a mistake in evaluating prospects.

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It's incredibly more stupid to pick someone out of spite than to make a mistake in evaluating prospects.
Stupid... like a fox.

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Burke was played and skunked.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=655473

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Burke to Murray: "Well, what do you want to do?"
Murray to Burke: "Well we can flip you..."
Burke to Murray: "We want Kadri, is that who you want?"
Muray to Burke: pause...."Uh.... yea"

It would be funny if before Burke cut Murray off Murray was going to lay out a deal to move up to 7th and finish by saying and we'll take Cowen with the pick. I'm not convinced the Sens wanted Kadri at all and I think they were more than happy to draft Cowen.

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Did Burke get played?

Like. a. piano.

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At 2:00.

Burke ripped the Habs fanbase in an interview after the 1st round, what is his problem anyways?

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At 2:00.

Not quite as much of a Pierregasm as last year...

But seeing those guys toe-to-toe like that; looks like Burke actually intimidated Murray a little.


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cowen> kadri and it's not even close...

kadri was a guy i thought would fall into the high teens, instead he got saved by one man's ego

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For the record:

The only thing that lends credibility to this:

TSN specifically ASKED Burke if he drafted Kadri BECAUSE the Sens wanted him. He said no. It seems like an odd question to ask a GM.

And - Burke did make a good draft pick in 2005 w/ Bobby Ryan. He did a ****** job with Chris Gardiner in 2008.
You mean Jake Gardiner

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It's definitely possible that Murray wanted to goad Burke into picking Kadri, who, the Leafs might have felt the Sens wanted... but - I don't know.
Its possible, but watching the video doesn't provide much evidence for it. Murray wanted to trade, but Burke didn't. You'd have to do some major spinning to try and convince me that it shows anything else.

And as already mentioned, Kadri was ranked by McKenzie's sample of NHL scouts at #8. Its entirely possible (and in fact quite probable) that the Leafs had him higher than the injured Cowen. Overall, I'm happy with the guy we got. If you look at my post history, you'll see that getting a Cowen (aka Schenn 2.0) would have been my nightmare scenario this draft.

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06-27-2009, 01:17 AM
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No I actually thought he was the **** back when he was drafted.

And getting one Sedin without the other would have been a magnet for disaster because the dominant one would have pulled the more weak-willed one onto his team right after the weak one's ELC expired... and Burke had no way of knowing at the time which one was gonna be the dominant and which was gonna be the recessive (though now it's painfully obvious).

As for Pronger, if you were around you'll remember him hyped to be the Hedman to Daigle's Tavares (and history does have a habit of repeating itself).
Yes, Burke identified who the right picks would be, and traded up to get them. That's the point. Those were smart moves, especially in 1999 where the draft was absolutely atrocious. If you put yourself in a situation to make the no-brainer pick, then that's a great move.

As for Ryan, he was consistently ranked in the 3-6 area of that draft. If Burke had just made the "no-brainer" and gone with the #2 ranked player (by both NHL central scouting and ISS), the Ducks would be the proud owner of Benoit Pouliot.

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No I actually thought he was the **** back when he was drafted.

And getting one Sedin without the other would have been a magnet for disaster because the dominant one would have pulled the more weak-willed one onto his team right after the weak one's ELC expired... and Burke had no way of knowing at the time which one was gonna be the dominant and which was gonna be the recessive (though now it's painfully obvious).

As for Pronger, if you were around you'll remember him hyped to be the Hedman to Daigle's Tavares (and history does have a habit of repeating itself).
What the heck are you talking about lol.

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