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06-27-2009, 07:48 PM
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McKeen's doesn't appear to be very high on him. They rated him at 59 and had the following to say about him:

- Unwillingness to play in the trenches
- Avoids contact
- Allergic to confrontation down low
- Slows down when plays shifts to corner so teammates can get the puck
- Tendency to float and be out of it mentally
- Lacks soft touch around the net
- Lacks offensive vision and isn't overly creative with the puck
- Average skating and speed
- Tendency to stop moving his feet with the puck on his stick
- Needs to improve on faceoffs
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True. A checking center is his downside, which isn't bad a downside at all.
IIS report on Nattinen:

International Scouting Services: "A big hard-nosed two-way centerman who can play with finesse and power, Nattinen has been climbing the rankings and landing himself on many NHL clubs radars with his great two way ability. He can play a variety of roles, and has a strong understanding of system play. He drives the net hard and is extremely difficult to move once he gets there. He centered Finland's explosive 'cage' line during the WJC in Ottawa and proved to be the most consistently effective center on the team for the tournament. Apart from his great physical qualities, he has a strong skill set that includes a hard shot, smooth stick and very strong passing instincts."

I'm very happy with this pick.
WTF?

That's pretty much opposites.

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06-27-2009, 07:52 PM
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McKeen's doesn't appear to be very high on him. They rated him at 59 and had the following to say about him:

- Unwillingness to play in the trenches
- Avoids contact
- Allergic to confrontation down low
- Slows down when plays shifts to corner so teammates can get the puck
- Tendency to float and be out of it mentally
- Lacks soft touch around the net
- Lacks offensive vision and isn't overly creative with the puck
- Average skating and speed
- Tendency to stop moving his feet with the puck on his stick
- Needs to improve on faceoffs
Wow, I would hate to see what they had to say about the guy they rated 60th and beyond. Basically he is the worst hockey player ever according to McKeen's, yet rated #59.....intriguing

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06-27-2009, 08:02 PM
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I'm surprised at McKeen's scouting report because all the other scouting sources say the opposite. RLR loves Nattinen and goes on about his character, his non-stop work ethic, and his willingness to stick up for teammates.

I saw him play several games at the WJC and although Finland had a disappointing tourney, Nattinen was one of their better players. He played in all key situations. He's big and creates a lot of space with his size. I see him as projecting to be a Bonk type....not bad for a 3rd rounder.

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McKeen's doesn't appear to be very high on him. They rated him at 59 and had the following to say about him:

- Unwillingness to play in the trenches
- Avoids contact
- Allergic to confrontation down low
- Slows down when plays shifts to corner so teammates can get the puck
- Tendency to float and be out of it mentally
- Lacks soft touch around the net
- Lacks offensive vision and isn't overly creative with the puck
- Average skating and speed
- Tendency to stop moving his feet with the puck on his stick
- Needs to improve on faceoffs
What was the good things they said about him?

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06-27-2009, 08:25 PM
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What was the good things they said about him?
- Good size
- Could excel under the tutelage of the right coach
- Defensive play is his greatest asset
- Good attention to details in his own zone
- Diligently helps out defensively

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06-27-2009, 09:14 PM
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Nattinen will be a steal .. huge right hand shooting two way Center .. classic 3rd line center.

It's good for a 3rd round pick... This is where theses kind of players should go. Unlike some guys that the Habs took 18th overall in 2004... The future 4th liner/ career AHLer... What was his name again ?!


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06-27-2009, 09:21 PM
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It's good for a 3rd round pick... This is where theses kind of players should go. Unlike some guys that the Habs took 18th overall in 2004... The future 4th liner/ career AHLer... What was his name again ?!

He got picked in 7th round in 2005

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06-27-2009, 09:24 PM
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- Good size
- Could excel under the tutelage of the right coach
- Defensive play is his greatest asset
- Good attention to details in his own zone
- Diligently helps out defensively
Err... I think we got it the first time.

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06-27-2009, 09:26 PM
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It's good for a 3rd round pick... This is where theses kind of players should go. Unlike some guys that the Habs took 18th overall in 2004... The future 4th liner/ career AHLer... What was his name again ?!

It looks like you need to be taught doesn't it?
Kyle was considered a potential 2nd liner with a worst case scenario of being an excellent 3rd liner. Pierre McGuire compared him to a poor man's Trevor Linden.
One of the main reasons he has not panned out is that he has never fully recovered from the torn Achilles he suffered in Junior. He still limps today.

There. Class dismissed.

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06-27-2009, 09:58 PM
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Err... I think we got it the first time.
Just copied what was written in McKeen's..

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So...we got Radek Bonk?

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06-27-2009, 10:08 PM
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Just copied what was written in McKeen's..
Haha, I know. It's just that they wrote so much negatives, so when they had to justify his ranking... It got a bit repetitive.

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My Favorite Pick.. Can't believe this guy fell to us in the 3rd.

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06-28-2009, 12:51 AM
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I suggest we should all stay calm before giving the label of checker. He has some interesting offensive potential. Might not be a scorer, but as a centerman, I could live with him passing to his wingers and getting more assists than goals. He has a great hockey sense and a nice vision.
Interesting because Saku isn't much of a scorer at all! It's always good to have good playmakers in the system. We have talented wingers who will need a set-up guy so he might just become that guy in a few years! We'll see, but if he has the willingness to become better and work hard to get to the NHL, he'll be a very good pick.

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So...we got Radek Bonk?
It would be nice to have a Radek Bonk in the third round. He might not be the best player, but he's an honest player who was pretty good in the NHL. If he's indeed a Bonk kind of player, lets just hope he'll work harder though...

And I know Timmins said he wasn't expecting him to be available in the third, but I'm not sure we would have picked him in the second round if we had a pick. Timmins said he was high on a dew Swedes, but they all went in the second round...so the Finn was a consolation prize for Trevor...

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06-28-2009, 06:01 AM
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Can he score though? But having a strong physical, a future 12 goal scoring # 3 center in third round. Nothing wrong with that. I like the pick

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It looks like you need to be taught doesn't it?
Kyle was considered a potential 2nd liner with a worst case scenario of being an excellent 3rd liner. Pierre McGuire compared him to a poor man's Trevor Linden.
One of the main reasons he has not panned out is that he has never fully recovered from the torn Achilles he suffered in Junior. He still limps today.

There. Class dismissed.
I think i can remember the habs themselves raving about the Chipchura pick and saying how they had got a worker, a future captain, yet a checking 3rd liner in the making back in 2004.

As soon as people saw his skating, i think 2nd line was pretty much out of the question.

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06-28-2009, 06:58 AM
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I question the ability of McKeen's kids to properly scout European player. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they have very limited viewing of those players in their own leagues over there.

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06-28-2009, 07:13 AM
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I think i can remember the habs themselves raving about the Chipchura pick and saying how they had got a worker, a future captain, yet a checking 3rd liner in the making back in 2004.

As soon as people saw his skating, i think 2nd line was pretty much out of the question.
I think what Timmins was trying to do there was take Kyle as he knew he was playing with a groin injury his draft year and it dropped his status. However, like you said Chips never recovered like most do and is a fringe player. At this point anyway

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I don't know too much about this kid, too bad I didn't tape the wjc's, I used to but my vcr broke (yea I know time to get a dvd recorder or tivo) but I am impressed that he made the U-20 team as a 17 year old and spent time in the Finnish elite league as a 17 year old. I've heard his coach is one of the better coaches in the league when it comes to young players (no clue how true this is, I have not followed the sm-liiga since Korpikari was a prospect).

Nice to have a big body two way center, so hopefully he can work on his game over the next few years.

It's my understanding that Finland has just signed a PTA agreement with the NHL, I think the terms were that NHL teams had 4 years to hold their rights, instead of the 2 years that the new cba had in place while the old PTA with the IIHF. So if true it would give the club a little more time if needed to evaluate him.

On the other hand, the Habs have falt out sucked when drafting from Finland, Koivu aside. Oskari Korpikari, Martti Jarventie, Joni Puurula, Mikko Hyytia, Ilkka Mikkola, Timo Vertala, Marko Kiprusoff, Arto Kuki. Granted these were all pre-Timmins except Korpikari. But our previous track record isn't so good, here's to that changing!

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I don't know too much about this kid, too bad I didn't tape the wjc's, I used to but my vcr broke (yea I know time to get a dvd recorder or tivo) but I am impressed that he made the U-20 team as a 17 year old and spent time in the Finnish elite league as a 17 year old. I've heard his coach is one of the better coaches in the league when it comes to young players (no clue how true this is, I have not followed the sm-liiga since Korpikari was a prospect).

Nice to have a big body two way center, so hopefully he can work on his game over the next few years.

It's my understanding that Finland has just signed a PTA agreement with the NHL, I think the terms were that NHL teams had 4 years to hold their rights, instead of the 2 years that the new cba had in place while the old PTA with the IIHF. So if true it would give the club a little more time if needed to evaluate him.

On the other hand, the Habs have falt out sucked when drafting from Finland, Koivu aside. Oskari Korpikari, Martti Jarventie, Joni Puurula, Mikko Hyytia, Ilkka Mikkola, Timo Vertala, Marko Kiprusoff, Arto Kuki. Granted these were all pre-Timmins except Korpikari. But our previous track record isn't so good, here's to that changing!
TSN has u18 archives. Here's the Bronze medal game between Finland and Canada. Joonas is #18.

http://watch.tsn.ca/2009-iihf-world-...me/#clip162923

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TSN has u18 archives. Here's the Bronze medal game between Finland and Canada. Joonas is #18.

http://watch.tsn.ca/2009-iihf-world-...me/#clip162923
Sweet, will have to watch it today. Thanks

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Other notes from the scouting report:

-Has trouble lifting the puck.
-Skating slowed by ankles touching the ice while striding.
-Chronic emphysema forces him to keep shifts under 10 seconds.
-Specializes in serving bench penalties.
-Has special relationship with coaches.

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Other notes from the scouting report:

-Has trouble lifting the puck.
-Skating slowed by ankles touching the ice while striding.
-Chronic emphysema forces him to keep shifts under 10 seconds.
-Specializes in serving bench penalties.
-Has special relationship with coaches.
This a joke?

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Strange that at the U-20 he had a terrific faceoff % and ended up with 1 goal and 3 points but at the U-18 4 months later he ended up with only 1 more point and -3 one of the worst of his team. And on top of that, one of the worst in the faceoff circle.

In comparison, while Rajala and him had the same kind of stats at the U-20, Rajala destroyed the competition at the U-18 while Naatinen could have been much better.

Mind you, I'm not dissing the pick....he's the guy I wanted. But it has to be a concern, or it's a sign that when paired with better players, he's a better player himself......or he had an injury or some other things like that....

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