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B. Schenn still on the table??

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06-28-2009, 01:28 AM
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I doubt he'd even waive his NTC even if we got a good return.
Yea, I think the Leafs have till August 15th to move him, right?

If that's correct, I bet Burke gets a serious return after teams miss out on defensemen in free agency. I think that was actually his plan all along.

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I doubt he'd even waive his NTC even if we got a good return.
Good point, I forgot about that. Depends on how badly this rubs him the wrong way perhaps.

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Poni would be an upgrade in LA.s top 6, but why would they want two defensemen when they have so many young d that need ice time. Kaberle, I can see, but not White. And trading a #1 draft pick that could be a top five pick is crazy. Seems like wishful thinking of a sort out of Toronto.
The 1st would most likely be top 10 protected. Assuming any of this is true at all.

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If Lombardi is so stupid that that he doesn't recognize how good Schenn can be and made the pick only out of spite, then he's stupider then I though.

I honestly can't think of a single player/prospect on the Leafs that I'd rather have than Schenn.

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Yea, I think the Leafs have till August 15th to move him, right?

If that's correct, I bet Burke gets a serious return after teams miss out on defensemen in free agency. I think that was actually his plan all along.
Yes, August 15th is the deadline to move him without his consent.

And waiting til after July 1 to really gouge people was his plan, which he's made public.

However, "the best laid plans of mice and men...."

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06-28-2009, 01:37 AM
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Son House, yeeeeah!

Anyway, like you say, this rumour is all kinds of stupid. I'm sure Lombardi's going to make any pick - let alone a top 5 in a position of need for his team - out of spite.

Because the entire world revolves around Brian Burke and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

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An earlier poster pointed out, but it bears repeating that Lombardi and Burke are friends.

There is no grudge there.

The Kings weren't really shopping the pick. More like, Lombardi was cordially receiving phone calls.

Some people interpreted Lombardi's language prior to the draft that he was considering getting rid of the pick.

All he was saying, was that for the first time in years, the Kings were becoming good enough to where trading a high draft choice like a #5 overall was even conceivable.

But it was never probable.

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People keep thinking this is the NBA where GM's draft players just to re-trade them.

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that deal would be incredible for both sides... and we could even throw in toskala if we signed gustavsson.

someone on that board posted this offer... and it looks rather intriguing.

Kaberle & Kadri for B Schenn, Teubert, and the right to flip 1st rounders in 2010

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06-28-2009, 01:41 AM
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One of the author's sources doesn't realize that Lombardi was joking about taking Schenn out of spite. Here's what Dean said on-the-record to a local reporter:

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"That was the main reason we took him, knowing that it would totally piss off Burkie. It was worth it."
Obviously, that can't be taken seriously. The two are very close friends and that's how they joke with each other, especially since being cross-town rivals until recently.

Regarding the rumor, it does make some sense for LA. Lombardi has suggested recently that he wouldn't mind adding a veteran defenseman (Kaberle) and everyone knows that they need a left wing (Ponikarovsky). Age-wise, Ponikarovsky and White both fit into the 25-29 age range that Lombardi is so keen on, and Kaberle is only 31 and a UFA in a year.

I see two problems, though. First, it adds two defensemen to LA, meaning that a defenseman would absolutely need to be traded... probably Johnson, but the forced hand would lower his value. Second, it reduces LA's free cap space by $7.65M (not counting traded salaries), which is enough that it may take Lombardi out of the running for free agency, and he's said recently that he doesn't want to do that. As helpful as Kaberle and Ponikarovsky would be, they may not provide as much of a scoring boost as the Kings need.

I can see Burke offering it and Lombardi mulling over it, but I don't think that Lombardi would actually take it.

This all seems somewhat amusing, though. Burke wants Schenn so badly that he'll give the world for him, but doesn't have much that Lombardi wants, while Lombardi seems to be interested in Heatley, but Murray wants the world for him. It would seem kind of natural for the three teams to see if they can work something out so that Toronto gets Schenn, LA gets Heatley and Ottawa gets whatever they want from Toronto (except Luke Schenn) and a piece or two from LA. Ottawa could probably get a better deal by taking from both Toronto and LA (ex. get each team's 2010 1st-rounder) than they could get from any one team. Maybe Ottawa and Toronto don't want to trade with one another, though; I don't know.


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Thanks for the link.


Can't deny that Burke looked very pissed off when Schenn got selected...

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I have no doubt that Burke has a tremendous interest in Schenn and may have possibly inquired further into acquiring him with Lombardi, but other than that fleeting possibility, this has no bearing whatsoever. GMs talk everyday, all the time, and deals are proposed constantly -- doesn't mean they have any legs or are even close to happening.

Dean made a joke in his interview after he took Schenn and that is probably why all the speculations over the "spite" of the pick originated. But Dean and Burke have been friends long before they were GMs and there was nothing to it. Yes, if Kane was there, LA would have taken him instead, but they also didn't care... They were happy with whoever they got, it was impossible for them to be disappointed this year. They knew they were getting either Schenn or Kane and they were quite at ease knowing that and quite happy with either one... There was no incentive to take Schenn out of spite.

The problem with all of this is that Dean was only shopping the pick for an elite goal-scoring talent or some undeniable offer. That offer is not coming from the Leafs. They just don't have the assets to pull off this type of deal unless they include their Schenn and there is no point in doing so. LA and Toronto don't have compatible assets to get the deal done in the first place. It is not like the deal is of horrible value or anything, it is that the deal has little interest to the Kings. They aren't looking to add verteranS, they are looking to at an established top 3 offensive talent.

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Lombardi and Burke covet the same type of player: North American developed, character, grit. Basically, they aren't good trading partners.

Lombardi's favorite player is Ricci and he has said Brayden compares to him. Theres no way Lombardi trades away potentially his next favorite player.

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My favorite moment of the day came when the Kings selected Schenn at #5. My second favorite moment came when they cut right to Burke. Classic.

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My favorite moment of the day came when the Kings selected Schenn at #5. My second favorite moment came when they cut right to Burke. Classic.
im still debating with myself about which was funnier: Burke's expresion there or the crowd's reaction to the Demitra for O'Sullivan and the 17th pick in 2006

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My favorite moment of the day came when the Kings selected Schenn at #5. My second favorite moment came when they cut right to Burke. Classic.
Hands down the saddest moment of the draft was when they showed the heart-broken look on Brayden's face when Lombardi announced he was a King.

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B. Schenn
2nd in 2010

for kabby?

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Hands down the saddest moment of the draft was when they showed the heart-broken look on Brayden's face when Lombardi announced he was a King.


You act like that's a good thing. Why would you want a player that's going to cry because the team he wanted didn't get him?

He is going to love it in LA. His make focus right now is training camp. He has forgot about Toronto, it's over and done with. I for one am excited to see him play.

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Best part of the rumour is the first rounder in 2010---

nearly all so-clled experts are saying that after the top 3--that guy who goes 4 in 2010 might have gone late in the first this draft.

It is no secret that Burke wanted Schenn.

This is my take on the weekend draft.

Burke was offer Kaberle around for a first liner and or a first rounder and refusing to move the number 7.

There has been a "lovely" debate on this board about what Kaberle's value is and I think the market is dictating what the true value is.

I think the leafs offered Kabele for the number 5 pick and got turned down. We are now in the conjecture area of what if's and I think teams are telling Burke that they do not think Kaberle is worth what the leafs are asking for.

If there is any truth to the fact that the Bruins were willing to trade Kessel for Kaberle and the 7th adn when TO said they were not going to trade the number 7 in the deal and that killed the deal. A report out of Boston makes it clear that the bb gave more value to the number 7 pick then to Kaberle and that is why it got dropped right away.

When Kaberle finally does move--it could be interesting to see what they get.

On a side note, is it just me or Burke looking like a school yard bully during the draft and that is puting off the other teams?

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I don't care what anyone says Leafs overpay BIG in that deal for two unproven prospects.

Kaberle, White, Poni all signed to discount contracts AND our first!

Wow, I'm sorry but that's ugly.

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Burke actually muttered that he wants Kadri first, before even Murray told him who he really wanted.

When Burke found out that Murray was indeed looking to trade up for Kadri, thats when Burke said that they'll keep the pick and draft him.

No spite whatsoever. Murray was infact offering a deal to Burke, but it appeared it was a no-brainer for Burke to select Kadri when he found out Murray's intentions.
How are you so certain the deal Murray was offering was to move up? It could have been easily something else? like something to do with the 2nd round picks or whatever..

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How are you so certain the deal Murray was offering was to move up? It could have been easily something else? like something to do with the 2nd round picks or whatever..
Lol It was literally seconds before Burke went up and picked Kadri. Why would Murray choose such an inappropriate moment to talk about moving 2nd rounders?

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