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06-28-2009, 11:09 PM
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Manny Malholtra: going, going, gone?

Portzline certainly feels that way.

http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/2009/06...ely_gone.shtml

So who do you see as comparable around the league and what are their contracts?

What do you think Manny is looking for in terms for dollars/years?

Will he get a reality check after he tests free agency or will someone be willing to meet his expectations?

If he is gone, who would you like to see brought in to replace him? Or will it be someone internally?

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With Brodziak gone, I hope the Oilers go after him.

2 million/year?

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06-28-2009, 11:49 PM
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Other than his PK and Faceoff skills, he's played himself into expendability.
We need players who can tickle the twine.

I don't see us "replacing" him because he won't leave that big a hole, not with Brassard and some of the young guys coming back.

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06-29-2009, 12:44 AM
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Other than his PK and Faceoff skills, he's played himself into expendability.
We need players who can tickle the twine.

I don't see us "replacing" him because he won't leave that big a hole, not with Brassard and some of the young guys coming back.
That's how I kind of feel about Manny too. The only place we're really going to miss him is in the community, and someone will step up into that spot too. I think if Manny leaves, Peca will definately be back. We will still have 2 top faceoff men in the league and a great PKer in Peca.

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06-29-2009, 01:20 AM
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That's how I kind of feel about Manny too. The only place we're really going to miss him is in the community, and someone will step up into that spot too. I think if Manny leaves, Peca will definately be back. We will still have 2 top faceoff men in the league and a great PKer in Peca.
Peca is the 1 center that Howson keeps mentioning that we need to replace.

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06-29-2009, 01:27 AM
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With Brodziak gone, I hope the Oilers go after him.

2 million/year?
I agree, if he isn't going to resign with the Blue Jackets, I would love to see him sign with my other fav team.


As for the original question, I would like to see them sign Blair Betts in place of him. Another player would be Pahlsson/Madden but I think they'll be asking as much as what Manny is asking for.

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Mr. "Can do" everything pretty well but not any 1 thing exceptional is who I would like to see back. Yup that's right, he's the guy everybody wants and nobody needs. Let's get Sillinger back. If you think about it it makes total sense, he can do about anything poretty well so that really helps when guys go down to injury.

Also, if we can manage to get him AND keep Malhotra, then we have 3 of the top 5 faceoff guys in the league on our team and That can only be a good thing.

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06-29-2009, 02:30 AM
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No problem, we could sign Jason Williams and fourth line center could be someone from the couple Dorsett-Gratton. True is I woul vry like to see the line Murray - Gratton - Dorsett

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First off, I'd love to have Manny back. He's a terrific guy who plays his heart out and has been tremendous in the community. Secondly, he's my 10 year old daughter's favorite player. As I said over on the mains, 3 years, $6 million sounds fair to me.

That said, let's try to resign JWilliams. I love his game, his demeanor, and his guts. I know that GMSH and Hitch consider him more of a winger than a centerman but I still can't figure out why we haven't made more of a move to sign him.

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I'm betting he's looking for something around 5-years/15 million

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I suppose we need to make assumptions about Manny's role (were he resigned) before deciding on a replacement. If he'd be asked to center a checking line, then resigning Williams doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And as punk said, Madden and Pahlsson will be askiing for every bit as much if not more than Manny (and are both older). That said, Pahlsson fits that checking line role, especially in a Hitch system, perhaps better than Manny. Would need to do some digging to come up with other names. Sillinger makes sense, too, but I don't know. And not Peca.

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I'd love to have Manny back if for no other reason as somebody to continue mentoring Brassard and other players in the art of the faceoff. I loved seeing him after practices working with different players on their faceoffs, heck I even remember him trying to tutor Chimera. As good as Peca was at faceoffs, I don't remember him doing much tutoring. It looks like that job will fall to Vermette now.

I can't help feeling this has a Trevor Letowski feeling to it. Where is he now?


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Other than his PK and Faceoff skills, he's played himself into expendability.
We need players who can tickle the twine.

I don't see us "replacing" him because he won't leave that big a hole, not with Brassard and some of the young guys coming back.
I wouldn't say Manny has played himself into expendability. I'd say he's priced himself into it.

His play is perfectly fine for a solid bottom 6 center/PK specialist, which is why I'd like to see him stay. But his last deal verged on being high for his abilities, so if he's looking for a raise, then you got to let him walk.

You can find someone to be 90 percent of Manny, at probably half to 60 percent the cost, my suggestion -- Vernon Fiddler.

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I think if Manny leaves, Peca will definately be back. We will still have 2 top faceoff men in the league and a great PKer in Peca.
I highly doubt Peca will be back, regardless. Unless it's a absolute pure desperation move. Dude is almost done. He was not good for us most of the year. The legend that is post season Peca did not come and give us.. Anything... Unless he was responsible for the coal that was a 4 game sweep.

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2 million/year?
Did I miss something? If we were talking 2 per, we wouldn't be having this converstation. He would be signed already. Unless he just wants out of town.

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No problem, we could sign Jason Williams and fourth line center could be someone from the couple Dorsett-Gratton. True is I woul vry like to see the line Murray - Gratton - Dorsett
They like Williams on wing. They aren't likely to sign him as a center. Especially on the 3rd line. Gratton? Peca's got a better chance of coming back. Once again, another pure desperation move. Let's sight our sights higher then Gratton please.

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I've been saying for a while that Manny probably isn't coming back. Around 5 years for fifteen sounds about right to me, perhaps a little more. Look at Chimera's contract. A lot of people look at him and say Chimmer is horrible, but I think Chimera works just as hard and scored seventeen goals the year before last, and played well last year until his injury. I think Chimmer can reach twenty-goals. I don't see that in Malhotra.

That being said, Peca won't be back, especially with his later-season play and I think he was pretty much a "leadership" player, that didn't provide much leadership. I don't think Williams will be back either. He'd add great depth, but I don't think we're going to pay as much as he wants for a bottom six player. With Modin hopefully staying healthy, and the possibility of Picard, Murray, Dorsett, Boll, and Filitov becoming perminant twelve players, and if Modin stays healthy, it appears to me that we're missing a third line center, and Howson has already indicated that he intends to sign a center in FA if we don't resign Malhotra. With Williams, Backman, Peca, Malhotra, OKT and Novotny off the books, I think we can get what we need in free agency. If we're going to skimp to get Oduya (sp) and a center, I wouldn't be surprised if we sign Kolzig as a back up to Mason.

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This line from Porty has me scratching my head...

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If Malhotra does hit the market, the Blue Jackets will have to acquire two centers this off-season, either by trade or free agency. That shouldn't be a problem.
He's being sarcastic, right?

Unless we have a pocket full of Pascal Leclaires hidden somewhere, I don't see anyone trading us a solid 3rd line center/1st unit pk guy. Then there are free agent centers, which we've had little to no success of courting in the past.


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This line from Porty has me scratching my head...



He's being sarcastic, right?

Unless we have a pocket full of Pascal Leclaires hidden somewhere, I don't see anyone trading us a solid 3rd line center/1st unit pk guy. Then there are free agent centers, which we've had little to no success of courting in the past.
We are looking at a differnet type of player now. We're not looking to bring in a top 6 center this time around. There is a decent pool of UFA centers this season, as well. Having said that, there are a couple of teams running close to the cap that have RFA centers that might be interesting to us and possibly attainable.

Our situation is quite different and I think can be managed.

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Maybe the team is trying to control its smelling salts budget by allowing Manny to leave via free agency. I will so miss his pre-period routine if he's gone.

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We are looking at a differnet type of player now. We're not looking to bring in a top 6 center this time around. There is a decent pool of UFA centers this season, as well. Having said that, there are a couple of teams running close to the cap that have RFA centers that might be interesting to us and possibly attainable.

Our situation is quite different and I think can be managed.
Perhaps Brandon Dubinksy.

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I'd like to see both Sami Pahlsson and Vernon Fiddler sign.

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I'd like to see both Sami Pahlsson and Vernon Fiddler sign.
That would be a downgrade imo. I'd rather see Malhotra and Williams back. How the dollars shake out is beyond me, so maybe I'm dreaming/being naive. I just don't see how we can justify downgrading at the center position this off season.

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We can surpass last seasons success with that group of centers imo.

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We are looking at a differnet type of player now. We're not looking to bring in a top 6 center this time around. There is a decent pool of UFA centers this season, as well. Having said that, there are a couple of teams running close to the cap that have RFA centers that might be interesting to us and possibly attainable.
Not taking isue with your post, blah, just using it as a jumping-off point...

Looking at the UFA pool at center and wondering this - is the Manny situation all about dough? Trying to figure who fits as a checking line center, specifically a shut-down guy who would work in the middle of Hitch's lineup. Pahlsson is the only one. Lotsa FAs, but not a lot of guys who are more dependable than Manny. Sure Howson will have to go with someone if he can't come to terms with Manny, but it'll be a downgrade, IMO, unless Hitch is planning on reworking his system so a guy like Dubinsky (RFA who I love BTW) or Moore (UFA) is a reasonable 3rd line option.

EDIT: Forgot to mention Madden, but what will his pay expectations be?

Yes, the longer this discussion goes on the darker my Manny-blinders get.


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That would be a downgrade imo. I'd rather see Malhotra and Williams back. How the dollars shake out is beyond me, so maybe I'm dreaming/being naive. I just don't see how we can justify downgrading at the center position this off season.

Brassard
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We can surpass last seasons success with that group of centers imo.
Disagree. When our 4th and 5th options at center are wings, we're in trouble.

Pahlsson is an upgrade if the price is right and injuries aren't a concern.

I'd love to have Manny around for his on and off-ice contributions, but you can't blame him for trying to get a bigger contract. But besides Malhotra, we NEED to sign another center not named Jason Williams, regardless. (I'd love to have Williams back as a winger)

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If Manny is seeking $2-$3 million per year, I'd rather bring back Jason Williams (as a winger) for that money and then replace Manny with Fiddler, who is probably getable for under $1.5 million per.

I'm a charter-member of the Manny fanclub, but I don't buy the notion that what he does can't be replaced at a reasonable cost. He's got good character, is great at faceoffs, is solid defensively and a-smidge-better-than-poor offensively. Realistically, the team will miss his faceoff ability (since that's his one elite skill), but the rest of those attributes are getable either on the open market, via trade or maybe even from within.

When Todd Marchant signed his deal with Columbus ($2.5-$3 million per, if I recall) at least he had a 20 goal season.


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so we sign Yannick Perreault to a 1 season contract. problem solved.

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