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09-16-2009, 09:42 AM
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I'm perhaps Manny's most ardent supporter, and even I can see this is the direction it's headed. While I would love to see Manny back in a CBJ sweater, I don't expect to see it.
From a team and play standpoint, I'd take him back. He's a useful guy. But ownership is clearly tight-fisted on the checkbook. Manny's a luxury we can't afford.

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From a team and play standpoint, I'd take him back. He's a useful guy. But ownership is clearly tight-fisted on the checkbook. Manny's a luxury we can't afford.
I've been a Manny fan since they picked him up. I just hope he gets a deal somewhere. I feel badly that guys like him are caught in this crunch.

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I've been a Manny fan since they picked him up. I just hope he gets a deal somewhere. I feel badly that guys like him are caught in this crunch.
I feel bad that now he thinks he's a 1st line center.

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I feel bad that now he thinks he's a 1st line center.
I have no doubt that Manny realizes that he's not a 1st line center.

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Time to start an Online Petition to bring Manny back?

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Good lord, no.

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I feel bad that now he thinks he's a 1st line center.
Nah, I don't buy that. I have no idea whats going through his mind right now. He's had some offers, some of which have been respectable for his talent level(ATL ~ 2 mill per year), and he's turned them down. But I couldn't imagine him being marketed as a 1st line center. He's a solid 3rd line center, thats imo is being picky about where he locates with his new family.

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Time to start an Online Petition to bring Manny back?
need to be careful about that, eventually one of them is going to work.

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09-16-2009, 05:23 PM
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Way to rile up the troops, ol' Gabby Johnson

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Nah, I don't buy that. I have no idea whats going through his mind right now. He's had some offers, some of which have been respectable for his talent level(ATL ~ 2 mill per year), and he's turned them down. But I couldn't imagine him being marketed as a 1st line center. He's a solid 3rd line center, thats imo is being picky about where he locates with his new family.
I don't care what you buy, you don't ..... lol Just kidding.

I actually agree, he still has some NHL time left but man-he should have taken that Atlanta offer. If I where him I'd go for the most money in my remaining years even if the team was the Nome Huskies...

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I have no doubt that Manny realizes that he's not a 1st line center.
His agent...sorry

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09-16-2009, 09:40 PM
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His agent...sorry
They both feel like he is a better player than Pahlsson and can't understand why the gave Pahlsson the money they did and we wouldn't sniff 2 million per for him. His numbers were better than Sammy's last year, and from his perspective, I can understand why he is on that line of thinking.

However we are 4 days into camp and he has turned down 3 respectable offers and he is jobless. Something has got to give if he wants to play in the league.

Next year there will be that many more Manny type players flooding the market and he will be a year older and a year out of the league (although I don't see him going all year without a job, but he might).

Even though he has made his bed, I feel bad for him. I really liked Manny as a guy and he was a big help for us last year.

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And I'd say the same thing about his agent. Tying Manny and his camp to 1st line money is hyperbole.

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Try out in San Jose:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...e-in-tomorrow/

Can you guys give some thoughts on what he brings to a team. Is he capable of playing wing?

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Try out in San Jose:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...e-in-tomorrow/

Can you guys give some thoughts on what he brings to a team. Is he capable of playing wing?
Brings versatility to a team. He can be put into any number of positions if a player is injured, including the top six--as long as it isn't for a great length of time. He usually gets an initial boost by playing higher than he should, but his production will drop off. Ideally, he's on the third line.

Has very good speed, average offensive ability, above average defensive ability (though he hasn't really been used as a shutdown player). Can disappear for stretches and impress you for stretches. Great in the community. Reportedly great in the locker room. Shouldn't have a problem playing wing. But wing or not, if he's on the ice he should be the one taking face offs.

Edit: And I'd love it if he gets a spot on the Sharks.

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And I'd say the same thing about his agent. Tying Manny and his camp to 1st line money is hyperbole.
Sure would love to have a first--or second--line center demand 2 or 2.5 million from Jackets management, though.

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They both feel like he is a better player than Pahlsson and can't understand why the gave Pahlsson the money they did and we wouldn't sniff 2 million per for him. His numbers were better than Sammy's last year, and from his perspective, I can understand why he is on that line of thinking.

However we are 4 days into camp and he has turned down 3 respectable offers and he is jobless. Something has got to give if he wants to play in the league.

Next year there will be that many more Manny type players flooding the market and he will be a year older and a year out of the league (although I don't see him going all year without a job, but he might).

Even though he has made his bed, I feel bad for him. I really liked Manny as a guy and he was a big help for us last year.
Good post, the dude needs to sheet or get off the pot. He was on our fouth line in some games if I recall, his days in Columbus are over because Howson has the Jackets moving on.

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Looks like he'll make the team since it looks like Mitchell will be out for a while.

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Free agent Manny Malhotra, a 29-year-old center who has spent the past five seasons with the Columbus Blue Jackets, is about to become a Shark, according to an NHL source.

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They both feel like he is a better player than Pahlsson and can't understand why the gave Pahlsson the money they did and we wouldn't sniff 2 million per for him. His numbers were better than Sammy's last year, and from his perspective, I can understand why he is on that line of thinking.

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Howson decided we needed an actual shutdown center, one with a Selke nom, and ponied up the money for him. What Malhotra and his agent missed is that not all contracts are based on the amount of points you make, there are other areas to the game.

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They both feel like he is a better player than Pahlsson and can't understand why the gave Pahlsson the money they did and we wouldn't sniff 2 million per for him. His numbers were better than Sammy's last year, and from his perspective, I can understand why he is on that line of thinking.

However we are 4 days into camp and he has turned down 3 respectable offers and he is jobless. Something has got to give if he wants to play in the league.

Next year there will be that many more Manny type players flooding the market and he will be a year older and a year out of the league (although I don't see him going all year without a job, but he might).

Even though he has made his bed, I feel bad for him. I really liked Manny as a guy and he was a big help for us last year.
Comparing their numbers is almost like apples and oranges. Manny centered Nash and Juice for most of the year. I saw many instances in where he was out of place on that line. He's meant for the third or fourth line.

That being said, Manny wasn't really part of a shut-down line, going up against top lines to shut them down. While he might have been matched up against top lines, his job was indeed to help Nash and Juice score.

Pahlsson I think is the better player for the purpose. Manny wasn't good at centering the top line, nor was he spectactular at shutting down other lines when he played in the bottom six. Pahlsson's numbers may not have been as good as Manny's, but their roles were completely different. On top of that Pahlsson is a specialist and has experiance at what he was signed to do. I hate it when people compare their plus/minus. Pahlsson is going up against the top lines in the NHL to shut them down and Manny is on a line with Juice and Nash...

They may be similiar players, but I don't like playing the number game with this one, because their roles were completely different, and their numbers reflect that.

That being said, I'd probably rather have Pahlsson than Manny in the shut-down role. I like Manny, I like his energy and his work ethic, but I think his positioning isn't going to be good enough to excell at shutting down top lines. Hopefully Pahlsson won't try and catch any pucks going towards the net; I doubt he will.

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Try out in San Jose:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...e-in-tomorrow/

Can you guys give some thoughts on what he brings to a team. Is he capable of playing wing?
Versatile player, and like Renion said, can play higher in the lineup for a period of time and won't hurt you, but won't always help either. He is a 4th line center that is a good pk'er, not a 3rd liner (that is if you use your 3rd line as a shutdown line) because he can't shut a game down.

I wonder if he is taking less to play in SJ. SJ would be a good place for him and might make his 'holdout' worthwhile. They are a good team and could go places.

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Howson decided we needed an actual shutdown center, one with a Selke nom, and ponied up the money for him. What Malhotra and his agent missed is that not all contracts are based on the amount of points you make, there are other areas to the game.
I agree, and I hope Pahlsson turns out to be worth the 600 000 more than Manny was asking.

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Comparing their numbers is almost like apples and oranges. Manny centered Nash and Juice for most of the year. I saw many instances in where he was out of place on that line. He's meant for the third or fourth line.

That being said, Manny wasn't really part of a shut-down line, going up against top lines to shut them down. While he might have been matched up against top lines, his job was indeed to help Nash and Juice score.

Pahlsson I think is the better player for the purpose. Manny wasn't good at centering the top line, nor was he spectactular at shutting down other lines when he played in the bottom six. Pahlsson's numbers may not have been as good as Manny's, but their roles were completely different. On top of that Pahlsson is a specialist and has experiance at what he was signed to do. I hate it when people compare their plus/minus. Pahlsson is going up against the top lines in the NHL to shut them down and Manny is on a line with Juice and Nash...

They may be similiar players, but I don't like playing the number game with this one, because their roles were completely different, and their numbers reflect that.

That being said, I'd probably rather have Pahlsson than Manny in the shut-down role. I like Manny, I like his energy and his work ethic, but I think his positioning isn't going to be good enough to excell at shutting down top lines. Hopefully Pahlsson won't try and catch any pucks going towards the net; I doubt he will.
Agree with every word you said. Like I said in my post, it is Manny's view re: the numbers, not mine.

Manny is a 4th liner to me with good pk and faceoff ability (on one side of the ice) and his versatility made him worth 1.5 million.

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Can you guys give some thoughts on what he brings to a team. Is he capable of playing wing?
Manny is superman.

He possesses the ability to skate on one leg and kick with that same leg. This inhuman skill makes him worth more than mortal men.

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Manny is superman.

He possesses the ability to skate on one leg and kick with that same leg. This inhuman skill makes him worth more than mortal men.
Y'know, I have to admit, I was extraordinarily bitter about that call for a very long time. Drove me absolutely up a wall that someone could somehow think that was some kind of deliberate "distinct kicking motion". I couldn't understand it in any context outside of a deliberate attempt to do us wrong, and so I raged about it for a long time.

But after a while, things calmed down, and eventually, given time and healing, I received something of a revelation. And suddenly it just didn't seem to matter anymore. I gained perspective on the situation, and I realized that in the long run it didn't really matter all that much, and I like to think that thanks to that revelation, I have grown and matured as a hockey fan. I have put that ugly time behind me, and I go forward, more secure in my love of the game and with less anger.

What was that revelation, you ask?

Simplicity itself:

We made the playoffs.
They didn't.

Time, and playoff hockey, cures all wounds.

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