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06-29-2009, 03:14 PM
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I just have to completely disagree with you. Pavelec is still a much better pro prospect and he always was.

Roy has just not impressed all season long. There's a reason he slipped down the rankings all year. He just never took the next step he was supposed to take and was simply not as good as advertised.

He may very well make the NHL one day, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him only crack the AHL. He's not a safe prospect at all and I think his talent level was overrated. That and being tiny make him not a great bet.
Not as good as advertised?

Seriously?


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06-29-2009, 03:17 PM
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He is tiny.

If you look at the trend with goalies, its all about big guys with fantastic lateral movement.
Nothing a little Giguere/Nabokov syndrome won't fix

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06-29-2009, 03:18 PM
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being from the east coast and able to follow Roy quite closely i will say he probably has a 90% better chance than most of the forward or defensive prospects that were picked outside the 1st two rounds. The reason i'd say Roy dropped isn't becaues of his talent level or potenital but because more teams are realizing that it takes a lot longer to develop goaltenders that are not the "sure thing." The fact is it'll take 3-4 years minimum for him to develop and who knows who any teams starter will be then. It is just as easy to trade for, sign an undrafted free agent or sign a free agent than to spend 4 years developing a goalie. Roy does have a little bit of a size disadvatage but should be able to overcome it no problem as he is technically very good.

if you look at the number of first 2 round goalies in the past 10-15 years that have been busts (backups or AHL starter at best) you will see why most teams don't take goalies earlier. they are a huge gameble either way.

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06-29-2009, 04:35 PM
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What the the hell are you talking about, he has a large amount of talent. His agility and lateral movement is not far off from Fleury when he was in Cape Breton and Roy has a very nice glove hand. Where people were scared off is that he is listed at 6 feet, closer to 5`10 and has a very thin frame. Everything else is correctable.
5'11 1/2 to be precise according to central scouting officialdom:

http://centralscouting.nhl.com/link3...rm&app=combine

So, really him being listed at 6' is correct since a fractional inch >= .5 is rounded up traditionally and certainly has been the case with players in this draft as well.

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06-29-2009, 04:42 PM
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Roy has just not impressed all season long. There's a reason he slipped down the rankings all year. He just never took the next step he was supposed to take and was simply not as good as advertised.

Roy has not impressed all year long ? Did you even see him play ?
He played in the Top Prospects game and was steller. He played in the ADT challenge vs the Russians and was the MVP in the game he played.

He had a very good season on his club team in Cape Breton . He will most likley be up for a postion on team Canada in December.

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06-29-2009, 05:40 PM
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The guy who did the interviews at the Bell Center ( RDS QJMHL/CHL Hockey guy ) had an interesting story about Olivier Roy today on Montreal sport radio CKAC :

Olivier Roy was ranked high but the rounds went by and he was still in the stands, waiting for his turn. He said Olivier has a lot of pride and he was so disgusted that he went back to his hotel with his Dad. He was not in the building when the Oilers selected him and came back a good half hour later.

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Olivier Roy was ranked high but the rounds went by and he was still in the stands, waiting for his turn. He said Olivier has a lot of pride and he was so disgusted that he went back to his hotel with his Dad. He was not in the building when the Oilers selected him and came back a good half hour later.
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06-29-2009, 06:01 PM
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Was he not suppost to be a high second round pick,
and one of the top goalies in the draft?
Why did he fall all the way to the 5th round?






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Not as good as advertised?

Seriously?

I looooove all the Q followers jumping on me when I bash a 5th round pick of a guy who, predictably, fell down the rankings like a rock in water.

Love it.

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06-29-2009, 06:07 PM
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I looooove all the Q followers jumping on me when I bash a 5th round pick of a guy who, predictably, fell down the rankings like a rock in water.

Love it.
You obviously don't get it.

I said he'd fall before the draft. I'm not a puckbunny. But you're saying things that are just ridiculous like he has mediocre talent. I've seen players with good talent not get drafted at all so your whole argument that being mediocre led to his drafting is hilariously flawed.

Like I said, you have no clue the difference between talent and potential. They are 2 different things.

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06-29-2009, 06:11 PM
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I looooove all the Q followers jumping on me when I bash a 5th round pick of a guy who, predictably, fell down the rankings like a rock in water.

Love it.
just wondering how many times you've seen him play and in what context? (reg season, playoffs, Prospects game, etc)

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I looooove all the Q followers jumping on me when I bash a 5th round pick of a guy who, predictably, fell down the rankings like a rock in water.

Love it.


I looooove how you cant answer a question like .. " How many times have you seen him play ? "

Love it

Most people thought he would fall . Your saying he has "mediocore talent " which is bizzare

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06-29-2009, 06:41 PM
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Because NHL Scouts don't work for HF Boards or CSB.
Well, actually, there have been multiple hires out of CSB by NHL teams, and some scouts cross back and forth.

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Sorry, but he's just not good. I've said that for a while and I was proven right, once again, at the draft when he fell.
You were proven right that he isn't good because he was drafted later? You do realize how many players (especially goalies) come out of nowhere right?

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You were proven right that he isn't good because he was drafted later? You do realize how many players (especially goalies) come out of nowhere right?
Very recently - Dustin Tokarski is an example . A guy picked later in the draft . Great find for Tampa

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Well, actually, there have been multiple hires out of CSB by NHL teams, and some scouts cross back and forth.
But CSB is it's own entity. It's not any different than 30 NHL teams having their own draft board. They may cross back and forth, but they don't do both at the same time. We just know what their draft board is before the draft, and while some people here actually do see these guys play (I know you do too), people tend to take the CSB draft board as gospel. Just as it only takes 1 NHL team to like someone enough to take them in the 2nd round as opposed to the 5th round, CSB (or other scouting services) may be the only ones to have Olivier Roy and Toni Rajala in their top 50. It's really all we have to look at for trying to gauge value of prospects before and during the draft.

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I looooove all the Q followers jumping on me when I bash a 5th round pick of a guy who, predictably, fell down the rankings like a rock in water.

Love it.
Probably because you're spouting off garbage about him not being talented. Anybody who knows even a little bit about goaltenders can tell by watching him that he has a lot of talent. Oh, right, you've never seen him play, have you?

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If he was not far off from Fleury, he'd be at the very least a 2nd round pick.

Sorry, but he's just not good. I've said that for a while and I was proven right, once again, at the draft when he fell.

There are a number of reasons he was not in my top 60. I had him pegged to fall to the 3rd or 4th round at the least.
You werent proven right...if he becomes a top 10 goalie in the NHL would you still be proven right??

Roy fell in the draft because hes ONLY 6'00 (more like 5'10 1/2)...thats it thats all.

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06-29-2009, 11:33 PM
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I looooove all the Q followers jumping on me when I bash a 5th round pick of a guy who, predictably, fell down the rankings like a rock in water.

Love it.
Because you haven't seen him play. Stop acting like you have.

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Because you haven't seen him play. Stop acting like you have.
I watched him play a number of times and I always came away underwhelmed. Again. Stop acting as if he's God and should have been taken in the 1st. Comparing him to MA Fleury is silly.

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You werent proven right...if he becomes a top 10 goalie in the NHL would you still be proven right??

Roy fell in the draft because hes ONLY 6'00 (more like 5'10 1/2)...thats it thats all.
So, he fell down in the rankings all year because he was small?

Sorry. Don't buy it. He fell because he was passed over by other goalies who put up similar numbers while he never really improved upon his previous season.

The Q homers are insane right now with this. God forbid a guy fall because he's just not that great.

It's the same with the Rajala homers.

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I watched him play a number of times and I always came away underwhelmed. Again. Stop acting as if he's God and should have been taken in the 1st. Comparing him to MA Fleury is silly.
If Olivier Roy was 6`2 175 he would have been a top 10 pick, its as simple as that. I will compare him to Fleury because he is very comparable. They are similar in style and athletic skill sets. Tell me what games you seen of him. Every national game he was amazing/lights out.

Why the hell was he invited to the WJC selection camp?

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If Olivier Roy was 6`2 175 he would have been a top 10 pick, its as simple as that. I will compare him to Fleury because he is very comparable. They are similar in style and athletic skill sets. Tell me what games you seen of him. Every national game he was amazing/lights out.
Jason. I fully get that you love the Q and watch it a lot. I watch a number of games because they are easy to see online. I saw him play a lot because he was pretty hyped early on. Was called a top 10 pick last year and such.

Don't see why it's SO hard to believe that something, other than his size, would keep him out. He barely posted a .900 save percentage and neither you nor I know how he did in interviews.

If it's true that he got up and left during the draft, that kind of shows right there that he's pretty immature.

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Why the hell was he invited to the WJC selection camp?
Well, the current goalie crop kind of sucks right now, all around, Jason. Gotta say, but I don't think there are many great goaltending prospects from Canada or the USA around who are WJC eligible.

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5 years people, go pick on some other kid.

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