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06-30-2009, 02:42 PM
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Who's Brett McLean???

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Who's Brett McLean???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_McLean

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Nail on the head. I said the same thing when JM was expecting McLean to improve on his goal numbers this past season.
He also scored 15 goals on the Avs' 3rd line before we signed him. Everyone thought he was a blossoming 2nd/3rd liner when we signed him. It's a shame but it happens.

I wonder if the Panthers have Komiserak on the radar come midnight if Leo doesn't sign...

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Is it possible to NOT spread out the cap cost to two years? If we have the space next year, why not use the whole 1,133 mill 2009-2010? If you can do that, does it affect payment timetable (since we have a self-imposed cap)?
I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. I don't think it's ever been done before.

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He also scored 15 goals on the Avs' 3rd line before we signed him. Everyone thought he was a blossoming 2nd/3rd liner when we signed him. It's a shame but it happens.

I wonder if the Panthers have Komiserak on the radar come midnight if Leo doesn't sign...
Yeah, he scored roughly the same amount of points in 06-07 as he did in 07-08 with us. And he wasn't playing on the top 2 lines with the Avs all the time. We didn't give him 1.7 without good reason, and besides that's a pretty good contract in free agency for a 30+ point guy.

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Is it possible to NOT spread out the cap cost to two years? If we have the space next year, why not use the whole 1,133 mill 2009-2010? If you can do that, does it affect payment timetable (since we have a self-imposed cap)?
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I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. I don't think it's ever been done before.
I just looked over the NHL CBA and in Exhibit 21 (the Buy-Out agreement) it gives the team the ability to put how many seasons and the amount. Now the way I read & understand it, the reason why no team would NOT spread it out over the 2 yrs is its not just the cap cost but the actual payment cost. So FL's self-imposed cap would probably prevent them from not spreading it out over 2 yrs. If it was just about cap space, I could see teams using that to circumvent the cap and basically against what the whole CBA was about in the first place.

If anyone ever wants to read the CBA, the NHL has it stored on their servers (Exhibit 21 is actually on page 322 if you want to go straight there). Below is the link.

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I just looked over the NHL CBA and in Exhibit 21 (the Buy-Out agreement) it gives the team the ability to put how many seasons and the amount. Now the way I read & understand it, the reason why no team would NOT spread it out over the 2 yrs is its not just the cap cost but the actual payment cost. So FL's self-imposed cap would probably prevent them from not spreading it out over 2 yrs. If it was just about cap space, I could see teams using that to circumvent the cap and basically against what the whole CBA was about in the first place.

If anyone ever wants to read the CBA, the NHL has it stored on their servers (Exhibit 21 is actually on page 322 if you want to go straight there). Below is the link.

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf
So what you're saying is we'd actually have to pay McLean more to have the buyout count against the cap for only one season?

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actually I thought a player gets his entire buyout in one lump sum regardess how the club chooses to count it against the cap.

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So what you're saying is we'd actually have to pay McLean more to have the buyout count against the cap for only one season?
No it will be the same total amount to be paid. I'm just saying that most teams would not want to pay $1.133M in one yr as opposed to spreading it out over 2 yrs.
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actually I thought a player gets his entire buyout in one lump sum regardess how the club chooses to count it against the cap.
Nope, not according to Exhibit 21. It clearly states that the team will pay the player in semi-monthly installments assuming a fixed number of pay periods per season. But the player can pledge the payout obligation to a 3rd party in order to receive a lump sum...the team still pays the buyout on a scheduled basis.

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No it will be the same total amount to be paid. I'm just saying that most teams would not want to pay $1.133M in one yr as opposed to spreading it out over 2 yrs.Nope, not according to Exhibit 21. It clearly states that the team will pay the player in semi-monthly installments assuming a fixed number of pay periods per season. But the player can pledge the payout obligation to a 3rd party in order to receive a lump sum...the team still pays the buyout on a scheduled basis.
Coolburn, thank you for the work you did!!!

Basically it looks to me like they could take the whole hit next year, if they are prepared to make the payments also next year (instead of over two years). So, it's possible, since we are not spending up to the cap next year anyway. And since we are not spending up to the cap, we are not trying to go around the basic idea of a hard cap. Right?

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Coolburn, thank you for the work you did!!!

Basically it looks to me like they could take the whole hit next year, if they are prepared to make the payments also next year (instead of over two years). So, it's possible, since we are not spending up to the cap next year anyway. And since we are not spending up to the cap, we are not trying to go around the basic idea of a hard cap. Right?
We have a budget though and will be hard pressed to fill out the roster as it is. We can't take the hit in one year.

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We have a budget though and will be hard pressed to fill out the roster as it is. We can't take the hit in one year.
So it looks like, my point was just to know whether it's possible. We seem to have the option if we want to use it. It's up to Sexton (or whoever) to decide whether to use it or not. But basically I agree with you.

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Why not send him to the Amerks and if he refuses we suspend him and his salary is wiped out all together. If he reports then he will be a good Vet there.

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Why not send him to the Amerks and if he refuses we suspend him and his salary is wiped out all together. If he reports then he will be a good Vet there.
We won't pay him that much to play in the AHL. We're not a rich team. Rangers can do that. Leafs too. Not us.

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Has McLean been bought out yet? Haven't seen anything official, how long do they have?

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Has McLean been bought out yet? Haven't seen anything official, how long do they have?
He's gone. Sexton said so at the time of the Leopold signing that the buyout was completed.

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