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Chicago - Ottawa (Heatley Proposal #1,000,000)

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06-29-2009, 08:00 PM
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Chicago - Ottawa (Heatley Proposal #1,000,000)

Chicago Sends:
Brian Campbell ($7m?)
Dave Bolland ($3.35m)
Martin Havlat (resigned to a 3 year $6m deal - the irony )
=> approx 16.5M in salary

Ottawa Sends:
Dany Heatley
Alexander Picard
Jason Smith
=> approx ~11M in salary.

Ottawa has about $5m in cap space right now; so this would work for us. We get 2 top 6 wingers, and the bad contract of Campbell...

In exchange, the Hawks get some cap space, Heatley (1st line LW) and a cheaper PMD than campbell - who is an albatross to them anyway.

Jason Smith they can bury in the minors or buy out.

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06-29-2009, 08:01 PM
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06-29-2009, 08:03 PM
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I'm not exactly sure why you think this is a bad deal.

Chicago has massive cap problems with their young players. They need to deal salary. This is pretty known.

Campbell is a terrible signing for them. They don't WANT him on their team. Getting rid of him is a plus.

Havlat is currently an UFA who, they only offered a 1 year contract to (because of Cap Concerns).

This proposal makes Chicago better, both now and down the road. I think you should get your bearings checked.

The only thing of value the Hawks really lose here, is that they give up Dave Bolland who they like. **** happens.

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06-29-2009, 08:06 PM
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NO. Campbell will not be a Senator.

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I'm not exactly sure why you think this is a bad deal.

Chicago has massive cap problems with their young players. They need to deal salary. This is pretty known.

Campbell is a terrible signing for them. They don't WANT him on their team. Getting rid of him is a plus.

Havlat is currently an UFA who, they only offered a 1 year contract to (because of Cap Concerns).

This proposal makes Chicago better, both now and down the road. I think you should get your bearings checked.

The only thing of value the Hawks really lose here, is that they give up Dave Bolland who they like. **** happens.
That's nice. Now why do the Senators do it?

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06-29-2009, 08:09 PM
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I actually dont see anything wrong with this trade whatsover. They are losing Havlat for nothing in two days and Campbell is on a brutal deal. I would prefer Versteeg to Bolland

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Any other BAD contracts you want the Sens to take?

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That's nice. Now why do the Senators do it?
A couple reasons.

1) Although Campbell is overpaid, the Sens were interested in him last year in the bidding war. Admittedly, not at $7.1m, but, the $1.5m extra just amounts to being the price of getting him.

2) Replacing Dany Heatley is impossible. It's Dany Heatley. Havlat apparently liked playing in Ottawa, and we broke his heart in the trade. There's a possibility he might like playing Ottawa again, if we can make amends. The deal I proposed (3 years at $6m), is what he signed for originally. He's a good player. Injury prone a little, but he can score goals and gives us another Top 6.

3) Bolland is a 2nd or 3rd line guy, but he's talented enough to give our second line a boost. He's also under contract at a fairly reasonable rate now - I think $3.35m is a little overpaid for this year, but given he's still young, it might be a good deal in a couple years.

4) Whether we acquire players from a team like Chicago or via free agency, we will need to take on some cap stuff. Melnyk will also like not having to pay Smith, who otherwise is being sent to Bingo.

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Any other BAD contracts you want the Sens to take?
Switch Versteeg for Bolland then.

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Switch Versteeg for Bolland then.
Bolland > Versteeg.

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when I first read this I thought it had to be a Hawk fan. You sure your not a Hawk fan?

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I'm not exactly sure why you think this is a bad deal.

Chicago has massive cap problems with their young players. They need to deal salary. This is pretty known.

Campbell is a terrible signing for them. They don't WANT him on their team. Getting rid of him is a plus.

Havlat is currently an UFA who, they only offered a 1 year contract to (because of Cap Concerns).

This proposal makes Chicago better, both now and down the road. I think you should get your bearings checked.

The only thing of value the Hawks really lose here, is that they give up Dave Bolland who they like. **** happens.
Its funny how you answered your own question. Sens get ripped off.

Campbell is at its lowest value.. and is a salary dump.
So bolland is the only thing of value .

So you think a Salary dump + bolland = Heatley????

If you offer Toews and Bolland you can get Heatley.

Heatley a top 10 player vs toews top 25 ...

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Switch Versteeg for Bolland then.
I would rather give up Steeger than Bolland.

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That's nice. Now why do the Senators do it?
Exactly what I was thinking.

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Ottawa says no.

I like Havlat but he's often injured and overpaid. Plus, he'll play better in a role on Chicago then he ever will in Ottawa.
Campbell is overpaid. Unwanted.
Bolland... there are better young players/prospects Ottawa could get.

I feel like these were the kind of deals that Murray was turning down, not hoping for...

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Any other BAD contracts you want the Sens to take?
Huet for Auld?

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Its funny how you answered your own question. Sens get ripped off.

Campbell is at its lowest value.. and is a salary dump.
So bolland is the only thing of value .

So you think a Salary dump + bolland = Heatley????

If you offer Toews and Bolland you can get Heatley.

Heatley a top 10 player vs toews top 25 ...
Ya i will Tell Sens Fans That think that Dany Heatley,28 is worth Keith or Toews, That You Are ******* Stupid. Heatley Just asked for a Trade and no team besides the Rags have made an Offer, so lets go offer a 21 year old #1 center, a player you can build a franchise around, or Keith, a top 5-7 Dman in the League. NO!

Plus There is something called the Cap. Thats why if Heatley were to go to Chi(which he wont), Campbell is going back.(+, Obv.)

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NO. Campbell will not be a Senator.
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Bolland... there are better young players/prospects Ottawa could get.
It's a good thing that Ottawa planted that prospect tree.

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It's a good thing that Ottawa planted that prospect tree.
Nice.

Hey Massive, I think you meant Toronto. You know the one with all the Leafs.

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Chicago has massive cap problems with their young players. They need to deal salary. This is pretty known.
O'rly??

I think overly exaggerated is more like it. FYI Kane's cap hit is almost 4mil now and Toews 3mil. Its not like they're making 500k. I remember when Pit was going to have all there cap problems as well.............

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You can keep Heatly's
I just dont see how his below market value contract is bad.

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It's a good thing that Ottawa planted that prospect tree.
Yes, it's a shame we couldn't suck/tank a couple of years ago ala other teams and reap the benefits of high callibre prospects.

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Ya i will Tell Sens Fans That think that Dany Heatley,28 is worth Keith or Toews, That You Are ******* Stupid. Heatley Just asked for a Trade and no team besides the Rags have made an Offer, so lets go offer a 21 year old #1 center, a player you can build a franchise around, or Keith, a top 5-7 Dman in the League. NO!

Plus There is something called the Cap. Thats why if Heatley were to go to Chi(which he wont), Campbell is going back.(+, Obv.)
You're right, there is no way Keith or Toews would be traded for Heatley. It's ridiculous even to suggest it.

It's also ridiculous to think Ottawa would want Campbell. We gave up trying to sign him last year when his demands were too high. His contract is horrible.

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