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06-29-2009, 09:53 PM
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Dubinsky and D Prospect for Barker and Skille/Brouwer (Depending on Prospect)

The hawks get a young center that fits in with there core of young C. The Rangers have Animsov and Gravchez(sp? for both) coming up to fill C spots so not a huge loss. They add a young, puck moving PP QB who wil help fix their PP. The Hawks have a Barker like prospect in Olsen Coming up in a few years.The prospects just help with Depth at D and Foward for both Organizations.They can be left out if needed.

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06-29-2009, 09:55 PM
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Rangers don't need Barker, they need more offense.

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06-29-2009, 10:03 PM
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Grachev has been converted to a LW and will almost certainly remain as such when he makes the big club.

The Rangers organizational strength is on the blueline when it comes to prospects. I can't see the Rangers trading a guy like Dubinsky for another d-man.

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06-29-2009, 10:05 PM
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Grachev has been converted to a LW and will almost certainly remain as such when he makes the big club.

The Rangers organizational strength is on the blueline when it comes to prospects. I can't see the Rangers trading a guy like Dubinsky for another d-man.
Wait, what?

The Hawks won't trade Barker for a deal that involves Heatley coming the other way, but overrated Rangers prospects who've never accomplished anything in the NHL are good?

Amazing. NYR is a terrible drafting team too.

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Dubinsky and D Prospect for Barker and Skille/Brouwer (Depending on Prospect)

The hawks get a young center that fits in with there core of young C. The Rangers have Animsov and Gravchez(sp? for both) coming up to fill C spots so not a huge loss. They add a young, puck moving PP QB who wil help fix their PP. The Hawks have a Barker like prospect in Olsen Coming up in a few years.The prospects just help with Depth at D and Foward for both Organizations.They can be left out if needed.
Honestly? If I was losing a D-man on the Hawks (and we may if the cap bites us in the ass), I wouldn't mind trading Barker and Brouwer for Dubinsky and either Sanguinetti or Del Zotto.

Done in a heartbeat.

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06-29-2009, 10:11 PM
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Wait, what?

The Hawks won't trade Barker for a deal that involves Heatley coming the other way, but overrated Rangers prospects who've never accomplished anything in the NHL are good?

Amazing. NYR is a terrible drafting team too.
I dont wont to trade him either, but this is the value/ type of deal that would make me do it. John Jaeckel kind of made me think of proposing a deal like this.

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Wait, what?

The Hawks won't trade Barker for a deal that involves Heatley coming the other way, but overrated Rangers prospects who've never accomplished anything in the NHL are good?

Amazing. NYR is a terrible drafting team too.
You just don't give up.

This thread has nothing to do with Heatley yet you insist to bring him up in this thread.

Please, if you're going to whine about Heatley's value go do it in one of the Heatley threads.

As for the OPs proposal, no thanks.

The Rangers have a good amount of strong defensive prospects and the Rangers would most likely only trade for an offensive player. Specifically one who could put the puck in the net, a sniper.

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Wait, what?

The Hawks won't trade Barker for a deal that involves Heatley coming the other way, but overrated Rangers prospects who've never accomplished anything in the NHL are good?

Amazing. NYR is a terrible drafting team too.

Not trying to be a jerk - but the Hawks can't fit Heatley in their current cap situation without moving Campbell, which is obviously a deal breaker. It just doesn't work. I also think most Hawks fans would consider moving Barker in a hockey deal.

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Wait, what?

The Hawks won't trade Barker for a deal that involves Heatley coming the other way, but overrated Rangers prospects who've never accomplished anything in the NHL are good?

Amazing. NYR is a terrible drafting team too.
What does this have to Heatley? GTFO.

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06-29-2009, 10:15 PM
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Rangers don't need Barker, they need more offense.
Not saying I like the trade but Barker will outscore Dubinsky next season.

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06-29-2009, 10:17 PM
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How about this

Rangers trade: Redden

Chicago trade: Campbell

Chicago frees up 600k in salary cap with this trade which is big for them since they're tight against the cap. The Rangers made Reddan's deal front heavy so Chicago would be saving 1M per year difference on actual salary being paid (might look good for the owner).

Even though the Rangers take on 600k more in salary cap, they get Campbell who can help a lot more on the PP than what Reddan will. Campbell is also two years younger than Reddan.

What do you guys think?

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How about this

Rangers trade: Redden

Chicago trade: Campbell

What do you guys think?
Nah, but nice try.

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How about this

Rangers trade: Redden

Chicago trade: Campbell

Chicago frees up 600k in salary cap with this trade which is big for them since they're tight against the cap. The Rangers made Reddan's deal front heavy so Chicago would be saving 1M per year difference on actual salary being paid (might look good for the owner).

Even though the Rangers take on 600k more in salary cap, they get Campbell who can help a lot more on the PP than what Reddan will. Campbell is also two years younger than Reddan.

What do you guys think?
If you put in a 1st rounder, Tallon might not hang up the phone.

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06-29-2009, 11:59 PM
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Wait, what?

The Hawks won't trade Barker for a deal that involves Heatley coming the other way, but overrated Rangers prospects who've never accomplished anything in the NHL are good?

Amazing. NYR is a terrible drafting team too.
Umm Im pretty sure if your considered a prospect of any team you have not accomplished anything.

You know nothing just stop.

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Not saying I like the trade but Barker will outscore Dubinsky next season.
Barker will score almost 50!?

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06-30-2009, 01:23 AM
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How about this

Rangers trade: Redden

Chicago trade: Campbell

Chicago frees up 600k in salary cap with this trade which is big for them since they're tight against the cap. The Rangers made Reddan's deal front heavy so Chicago would be saving 1M per year difference on actual salary being paid (might look good for the owner).

Even though the Rangers take on 600k more in salary cap, they get Campbell who can help a lot more on the PP than what Reddan will. Campbell is also two years younger than Reddan.

What do you guys think?
To Rangers: Campbell

To Hawks: Rodan

Rangers get a speedy power play QB, Hawks get a giant pterodactyl that can take Godzilla to five rounds.

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06-30-2009, 01:26 AM
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Barker will score almost 50!?
He put up 40 in 68 games this year, which extrapolates to 48 over 82 games. Between 50 and 60 seems likely.

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06-30-2009, 03:36 AM
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Rangers forwards actually play and understand the concept of defense. The Hawks forward have no clue defensively. The Rangers are loaded with young, outstanding, two way forwards on the team and in the minors. It takes time for those types to develop offensive skills at the NHL level.

The Rangers are also stocked beyond belief with high quality defense prospects of which maybe 3 to 4 are ready for the NHL. I like Barker but the Rangers dont' need him. Skille is a guy I still hold hope for but he's been a complete bust so far. You want to talk about an overrated prospect. Skille is his name. Not to mention Barker hasn't been anything close to what they expected him to be yet. I know he really came on last year but he was a complete bust up till last year.

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06-30-2009, 04:10 AM
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He put up 40 in 68 games this year, which extrapolates to 48 over 82 games. Between 50 and 60 seems likely.
Would not trade Barker. He took a little longer to develop than most fans would have liked and still has some brain cramps but he is going to be a quality defenseman for many years and will probably put up 50 points this year if he can stay healthy.

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Rangers forwards actually play and understand the concept of defense. The Hawks forward have no clue defensively. The Rangers are loaded with young, outstanding, two way forwards on the team and in the minors. It takes time for those types to develop offensive skills at the NHL level.

The Rangers are also stocked beyond belief with high quality defense prospects of which maybe 3 to 4 are ready for the NHL. I like Barker but the Rangers dont' need him. Skille is a guy I still hold hope for but he's been a complete bust so far. You want to talk about an overrated prospect. Skille is his name. Not to mention Barker hasn't been anything close to what they expected him to be yet. I know he really came on last year but he was a complete bust up till last year.
Yet the Hawks still made it to Western Conference finals and will be a threat for the next few years while the Rangers will be hard pressed to make the playoffs with Sather running the team.

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Rangers forwards actually play and understand the concept of defense. The Hawks forward have no clue defensively. The Rangers are loaded with young, outstanding, two way forwards on the team and in the minors. It takes time for those types to develop offensive skills at the NHL level.
Errrr what? NYR's defense and goaltending must suck then since Chicago a team consisting of not a single forward who can play defense gave up fewer goals per game than New York...

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Wait, what?

The Hawks won't trade Barker for a deal that involves Heatley coming the other way, but overrated Rangers prospects who've never accomplished anything in the NHL are good?

Amazing. NYR is a terrible drafting team too.
I don't think they make a face palm icon big enough to handle this post.

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To Rangers: Campbell

To Hawks: Rodan

Rangers get a speedy power play QB, Hawks get a giant pterodactyl that can take Godzilla to five rounds.

Hahaha
That really made me laugh out loud

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I know he really came on last year but he was a complete bust up till last year.
He was great the year before too, in '07-'08. The only reason he played as much as he did in the AHL was because of Tallon's inability to manage the cap well. He was pretty much forced to put Barker and his contract in the minors.

Barker has been a favorite target for people to rag on for years around here, no idea why, but he was never a complete bust. In the AHL and NHL, he's performed great wherever he's been.

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Theres no reason for the Rags to do this.

Barker would look good in NY, though.

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