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11-16-2011, 07:07 AM
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Czech Republic 2011-2018 future

Goalies:

Ondrej Pavelec 1987
Michal Neuvirth 1988
Tomas Vokoun 1976
Alexander Salak 1987
Petr Mrázek 1992
Matěj Machovský 1993
David Honzík 1993
Jakub Štěpánek 1986
Jakub Kovář 1988

Defensmen

Jakub Kindl 1987
Roman Polák 1986
Ladislav Šmíd 1986
David Musil 1993
Adam Polášek 1991
Radko Gudas 1990
Zbyněk Michálek 1982
Rostislav Klesla 1982
Tomáš Kaberle 1978

Offensive

David Krejčí 1986
Vladimír Sobotka 1987
Roman Horák 1991
Jakub Voráček 1989
Tomaš Kubalík 1990
Tomáš Vincour 1990
Martin Hanzal 1987
Michael Frolík 1988
Michal Řepík 1988
Rostislav Olesz 1985
Jiří Tlustý 1988
Aleš Hemský 1983
Milan Michálek 1984
Jiří Hudler 1984
Tomáš Fleischmann 1984
Tomáš Plekanec 1982
Maritn Erat 1981

youngest: Tomáš Hertl 1993, Hyka 1993, Jaškin 1993

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11-26-2011, 04:35 AM
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Well Kaberle seems to be regressing fast. Things look like he won't be relevant for 2014 Olympics. It's quite possible this might be out D core in that time:

LD
Miroslav Blatak
Jan Hejda
Jakub Kindl
Rostislav Klesla
Ladislav Smid

RD
Radko Gudas
Jakub Nakladal
Zbynek Michalek
Ondrej Nemec
Roman Polak

Really nothing to be thrilled about when you look at the other teams. Correct me if I missed somebody.

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11-26-2011, 05:17 AM
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Well Kaberle seems to be regressing fast. Things look like he won't be relevant for 2014 Olympics. It's quite possible this might be out D core in that time:

LD
Miroslav Blatak
Jan Hejda
Jakub Kindl
Rostislav Klesla
Ladislav Smid

RD
Radko Gudas
Jakub Nakladal
Zbynek Michalek
Ondrej Nemec
Roman Polak

Really nothing to be thrilled about when you look at the other teams. Correct me if I missed somebody.
I think Musil could have a decent shot at making the team and Polasek isn't too bad either. Like you said, nothing to be thrilled about, but I'm liking our goaltending depth for the next 5-10 years or so, it seems there might be a lot to choose from.

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11-29-2011, 07:24 AM
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Hmm interesting, Finland has the same problem though, most of the great players are getting too old and there aren't any new young stars coming up really.
Czech Republic has gone from 7.4% (of NHL players) in 2003 to 4.1% currently
Finland has gone from 4.5% in 2006 to 3.1% currently
Slovakia - 3.7% in 2004 to 1.4% currently
Russia 5.8% in 2003 to 3.3% currently


Im not sure exactly why this is happening but I know who's taking the spots
USA - 9.6% growth since 2002-03 season
Canada - 3.5% growth since 2002-03 season
for those wondering
Sweden - .5% growth since 2002-03 (has kept around 6% of nhlers)

Does anyone think that teams had a love affair with foreigners?
Is this just the natural cycle?
Are European clubs convincing more players to say?
does someone have an answer to this?

the NHL is no question the strongest league in the world, with these national teams having fewer players in the NHL and having to settle for playing at home or somewhere else in europe. I think these countries are in decline and I say this when I look at this Czech Republic pool of talent you have here, this honestly isn't very promising.
After being international kings from 1998 Olympic Gold winners-2002 the end of this era coincides with the rapid decline in the amount of Czechs in the NHL.
Again I dont know the cause or what this means exactly. but I do know that this is not looking good, seems like USA Canada and Sweden are gonna pull away internationally which could turn the Olympics into a rather dull affair.

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11-29-2011, 01:53 PM
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After being international kings from 1998 Olympic Gold winners-2002 the end of this era coincides with the rapid decline in the amount of Czechs in the NHL.
Again I dont know the cause or what this means exactly.
but I do know that this is not looking good, seems like USA Canada and Sweden are gonna pull away internationally which could turn the Olympics into a rather dull affair.
To sum it up (as to give a proper response to this would take several posts) it has been caused by the decline in the quality of the Czech junior development programme. Whilst countries like Sweden were working on improving theirs (during that successful era that you mentioned) we rested on our laurels and let everyone overtake us. We were (until very recently-2008/2009-> not quite sure) still playing against countries like Poland and Hungary as part of our development programme which starts with the U-16's. Now no offense to these countries at all, but in order for our juniors to be able to compete with the likes of Canada, USA + Sweden, we need to play with them and we need to play with them regularly. In addition to this, a lot of the training techniques that the Czechs were using were outdated and many club coaches were kind of convinced they knew best and didn't really care for what training techniques the top nations used.
'Fortunately' (because it's still a bit too early to say yet) Slavomir Lener came along (he was offered the position of 'head coach of youth' by the president of CSLH) and decided he'd try to put this matter right, because it was starting to become a serious problem. Since then I think it would be fair to say that a lot of improvements have been made to the junior development programme (for example: more frequent games against Canada, Usa, Sweden etc at all age groups, the reinstatement of the U-19 national team and an attempt to adapt the Swedish development programme to Czech needs with modern training techniques focusing on things such as skating, individual skill, lower-body strength etc etc). But it's still in it's early stages, it will take at least 5-10 years until the work will come to fruition.

Whilst the decline in the quality of the programme can be blamed, one must not forget that with the birth of the KHL a lot of Czech players that could play in the NHL (Blat'ak for example) chose not to because they were/are paid better in the KHL.

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Swipes is quite right. I'd hardly say it better. Good thing is that Czech hockey finally after 10 bad years changed it's status from "looking for the right questions" to "looking for the right answers" :-))

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I posted D core for 2014 as I see it right now last week and I coun'd resist to look at offense too. Here is what I'm thinking. Personally I like that better than defense.

LW
Patrik Elias
Tomas Fleischmann
Michael Frolik
Milan Michalek
Jiri Tlusty

C
Martin Hanzal
Roman Horak
David Krejci
Tomas Plekanec
Vladimir Sobotka

RW
Roman Cervenka
Martin Havlat
Ales Hemsky
Jakub Voracek
Radim Vrbata

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Whilst the decline in the quality of the programme can be blamed, one must not forget that with the birth of the KHL a lot of Czech players that could play in the NHL (Blat'ak for example) chose not to because they were/are paid better in the KHL.
I think the KHL is a BIG factor why the percentage of most Europeans in the NHL has slightly declined.

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Hmm interesting, Finland has the same problem though, most of the great players are getting too old and there aren't any new young stars coming up really.
Czech Republic has gone from 7.4% (of NHL players) in 2003 to 4.1% currently
Finland has gone from 4.5% in 2006 to 3.1% currently
Slovakia - 3.7% in 2004 to 1.4% currently
Russia 5.8% in 2003 to 3.3% currently


Im not sure exactly why this is happening but I know who's taking the spots
USA - 9.6% growth since 2002-03 season
Canada - 3.5% growth since 2002-03 season
for those wondering
Sweden - .5% growth since 2002-03 (has kept around 6% of nhlers)

Does anyone think that teams had a love affair with foreigners?
Is this just the natural cycle?
Are European clubs convincing more players to say?
does someone have an answer to this?

the NHL is no question the strongest league in the world, with these national teams having fewer players in the NHL and having to settle for playing at home or somewhere else in europe. I think these countries are in decline and I say this when I look at this Czech Republic pool of talent you have here, this honestly isn't very promising.
After being international kings from 1998 Olympic Gold winners-2002 the end of this era coincides with the rapid decline in the amount of Czechs in the NHL.
Again I dont know the cause or what this means exactly. but I do know that this is not looking good, seems like USA Canada and Sweden are gonna pull away internationally which could turn the Olympics into a rather dull affair.
90% because of the KHL-- 10% because of the improvement of USA hockey.

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