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07-01-2009, 11:34 PM
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I really think Scuds is a great d-man when paired w/ an offensive talented partner. I think he'd be well worth 2.5, especially w/ what some of these guys are going for on the open market. Watching Komisarek get 4.5 hurts a bit...
But Zanon got 1.9M and he plays a similar game to Scuderi, and is by no means an inferior player, IMO.

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When I saw the cost of the Zanon signing, I was hoping that could be around the amount Scuderi could be re-signed for, perhaps even a touch lower given the "home town discount" factor.

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2M for 4 years for Scuderi, 2.5M for a winger for 2 years, trade Dupuis's 1.4. Perhaps then we can bring up Curry and his 500K, and we have what...close to 1M left? leave the 1M alone, and use it whenever we need it sometime in the regular season. Off season done. Next is training camp.

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But Zanon got 1.9M and he plays a similar game to Scuderi, and is by no means an inferior player, IMO.
Scuderi is battle-tested at the highest stage in the game, two years in a row. I think he's showcased his abilities to the other 29 GMs in the league more than Zanon has.

Zanon is a great value signing for Minnesota.

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Look, its probably nothing, and really I wouldn't even be post it normally, but I did notice that Rob Scuderi and Chris Minard are the only two free agents still listed on the roster at the team site. All of the rest; Sykora, Satan, Gill, Boucher, right down to Bill Thomas and Joey Mormina have been taken from the organization lists. Except for those two.

Mike Rupp isn't there either though, so it is probably nothing, but just...I don't know.

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Beat reporter Rob Rossi gives the lowdown on activity between the Penguins and their players that became unrestricted free agents Wednesday:

LW Ruslan Fedotenko: Term continues to be sticking point in talks with Penguins.

D Rob Scuderi: Was mulling offers last night; planned to talk with Penguins one final time.

RW Petr Sykora: Return remained under consideration.

D Hal Gill: Signed with Montreal (two years, $4.5 million).

G Mathieu Garon: Signed with Columbus (two years, $2.4 million).

C Mike Zigomanis: No plans to bring him back.

RW Miroslav Satan: No plans to bring him back.

D Philippe Boucher: No plans to bring him back.

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I can't believe we don't keep Ziggy, this is just crazy. Unless he was asking for a 12 year deal and like 1M+ per, he should be here. 2 years at the most for .800K. It's too late now that we got Adams here, and now Rupp. I was looking forward to re-signing Ziggy the most this off season.

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07-02-2009, 12:31 AM
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Sounds like Scuds is doing the right thing and weighing all of his options, taking his time, and coming to the best possible decision for him and his family.

Take ur time Scuds... it's the big payday for you and it's well deserved.



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I can't believe we don't keep Ziggy, this is just crazy. Unless he was asking for a 12 year deal and like 1M+ per, he should be here. 2 years at the most for .800K. It's too late now that we got Adams here, and now Rupp. I was looking forward to re-signing Ziggy the most this off season.
The whole situation doesn't make any sense. I wonder if his agent was trying to play hardball and Shero would have none of it. I just can't come up w/ a scenario where he didn't fit in or it wasn't affordable for us.

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The whole situation doesn't make any sense. I wonder if his agent was trying to play hardball and Shero would have none of it. I just can't come up w/ a scenario where he didn't fit in or it wasn't affordable for us.
Once again, our faceoffs will not be that good. We need an awesome faceoff guy like Ziggy, it's a MUST. I'd love going into the season like this

Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Ziggy

It sure beats out

Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Adams

Any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. This HAS to be the situation you mentioned, or Shero needs to get on some meds. Look at all the top faceoff guys in the NHL, Ziggy is the cheapest, and one of the elites in the game, it's a no brainer. He can PK too...if it's his agent then to hell with him, fire that guy and let Shero be his agent.

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07-02-2009, 04:52 AM
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Scuderi is battle-tested at the highest stage in the game, two years in a row. I think he's showcased his abilities to the other 29 GMs in the league more than Zanon has.

Zanon is a great value signing for Minnesota.
Problem being that between Zanon getting 1.9 and Gill getting 2.25 again...its hard to see Scuderi settle forthe app. 2 million that we can sort of afford. If we cannot sign Scuds, I will be a tad disappointed we we couldn't be the ones to get Montador.

Asfor the whole Rupp/Zigo and does it all make sense issue.... how about this for a reason?

Shero knows that Jeffrey will be ready soon, that Talbot can obviously play the fourth line center when needed and that Rupp brings a different kind of physical element to that fourth line (center or wing, led New Jersey in hits with 136 despite playing only 72 games and getting only 8.43 of ice time per game, while being just above the 50 percent threshold in faceoffs).

I still think Dupuis has to go for cap reasons, and I desperately hope Pesonen will make it out of camp and that Shero is banking on one of him or Caputi doing so. With that, there could be room for Scuds or someone competent like him,and I'd go to war with the forwards below, and wait for the deadline to make a slight retooling if needed. Should we somehow manage to both get a Scuderi and Feds signing in, just move Kennedy back and Kunitz back in the 'natural' positions.

Kennedy Crosby Guerin
Kunitz Malkin Pesonen
Cooke Staal Talbot
Adams Rupp Godard
Jeffrey/Caputi

Still looks really good (considering what we just won the Stanley Cup with), and contrary to almost everyone else, Shero is looking like he is showing due diligence with regards to the ominous cap situation next year.

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Just read in Rossi's twitter that neither Letang or Gonchar feel that extensions will be reached easily...ouch.

I am a little miffed at Gonch...like Guerin he has made his money...take a discount and retire a penguin. IF he wasn't so valuable to the team, then I would tell him to walk.

Letang MUST be a priority...hell, if Shero can lock up everyone esle without to much difficulty, i don't see why tanger will be a problem

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Sounds like Scuds is doing the right thing and weighing all of his options, taking his time, and coming to the best possible decision for him and his family.

Take ur time Scuds... it's the big payday for you and it's well deserved.





The whole situation doesn't make any sense. I wonder if his agent was trying to play hardball and Shero would have none of it. I just can't come up w/ a scenario where he didn't fit in or it wasn't affordable for us.
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Once again, our faceoffs will not be that good. We need an awesome faceoff guy like Ziggy, it's a MUST. I'd love going into the season like this

Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Ziggy

It sure beats out

Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Adams

Any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. This HAS to be the situation you mentioned, or Shero needs to get on some meds. Look at all the top faceoff guys in the NHL, Ziggy is the cheapest, and one of the elites in the game, it's a no brainer. He can PK too...if it's his agent then to hell with him, fire that guy and let Shero be his agent.
Well Ziggy just came off of a shoulder injury, right? Maybe there is concern about if that will affect his face-off abilities? Also he was hurt during the entire time that Byslma was here. If Shero asked for the coach's opinion I'd have to guess that Bylsma said he would want Adams back since he played so well for him. And then the Rupp signing might have been a matter of wanting to make our team tougher.

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Rupp is a better faceoff guy than Adams. he will be taking those draws. Besides Malkin we should be ok on faceoffs.

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What's with everybody's fascination with Ziggy? He's just a soft 4th liner type that wins faceoffs and does nothing else. He's not really the type I want in the bottom 6.

Rupp and Adam can do much more as far as playing the game since they provide the prototypical grit etc. that your looking for in the bottom 6 players.

Faceoffs? If I'm Ray Shero and I'm paying more money for centers than any team in the league I shouldn't have to go out and get a damn faceoff specialist. I'd sit Crosby, Malkin & Staal down and let them know they've got to step their game up in that regard. They're getting paid the big bucks and eating up most of the cap space they should at least be able to win some damn draws.

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I would be happy with this lineup. You can see I'm crossing my fingers in hopes the rumors about Dupuis-Godard are true.

* Kunitz-Crosby-Guerin
* Kotalik-Malkin-(Pesonen/Talbot)
* Staal and some combination of Glencross, Cooke, Kennedy, Talbot
* And a fourth line featuring any of these on a given night — Rupp, Talbot, Glenncross, Cooke, Adams.

* A defense comprised of Orpik, Gonchar, Letang, Goligoski, Eaton, Lovejoy, $700,000-$800,000 journeyman.

* Fleury & Curry in goal

* and Caputi & Tangredi getting a legit shot in training camp.

I'd settle for a healthy Sykora instead of Kotalik, but if Shero goes that route, I think Max would a better fit on the second line than Pesonen.

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TIOPS is reporting that Scuderi is getting phone calls from Orpik among other players trying to convince him to stay. Apparently he was one of the guys calling Orpik last year. Penguins have a 4 year deal for him, but money per year is less. According to TIOPS, Scuds agent told him to push for a 5 year deal from Pittsburgh. Trade years for $$$.

10M contract, 5 years.

That's what I'd offer.

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I would be happy with this lineup. You can see I'm crossing my fingers in hopes the rumors about Dupuis-Godard are true.

* Kunitz-Crosby-Guerin
* Kotalik-Malkin-(Pesonen/Talbot)
* Staal and some combination of Glencross, Cooke, Kennedy, Talbot
* And a fourth line featuring any of these on a given night — Rupp, Talbot, Glenncross, Cooke, Adams.

* A defense comprised of Orpik, Gonchar, Letang, Goligoski, Eaton, Lovejoy, $700,000-$800,000 journeyman.

* Fleury & Curry in goal

* and Caputi & Tangredi getting a legit shot in training camp.

I'd settle for a healthy Sykora instead of Kotalik, but if Shero goes that route, I think Max would a better fit on the second line than Pesonen.
Sykora brings nothing to this team when he isn't scoring goals... I really hope Shero lets him walk... he actually makes the Pens a weaker team and I would rather see a prospect on the top 6 than him.

The options are slim right now... FA like Kovy aren't coming for less than 3.5m or so...

I still see the best bet at this point as Bertuzzi. He is only 34 and would come dirt cheap... he sees the ice so well and would really help Malkin... he would also be a beast on the PP, along the boards... protect Malkin... and he still has nice hands and could easily pot 20 riding shotgun with Malkin.

What else could you ask for 1.5m or so?

This is a very similar case to Billy G... Bert isn't going to be a 40 goal guy again, but he would give them 20 goals, playmaking skills and another big body presence all at the cost a little above Dupuis.

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What's the consensus on Mikael Samuelsson? There hasn't been a whisper about him through day 1 and a half. Heading in, he's a player I really wanted the Pens to look at; he'd be a glorified top-6 player, but he's very smart and has some untapped offensive potential, being he was buried in Detroit's chemically-balanced lines. Could be a 45-50 point guy, who is very powerplay savvy.

Anyone think he's projected out of our league?

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What's with everybody's fascination with Ziggy? He's just a soft 4th liner type that wins faceoffs and does nothing else. He's not really the type I want in the bottom 6.

Rupp and Adam can do much more as far as playing the game since they provide the prototypical grit etc. that your looking for in the bottom 6 players.

Faceoffs? If I'm Ray Shero and I'm paying more money for centers than any team in the league I shouldn't have to go out and get a damn faceoff specialist. I'd sit Crosby, Malkin & Staal down and let them know they've got to step their game up in that regard. They're getting paid the big bucks and eating up most of the cap space they should at least be able to win some damn draws.
Go watch some tape from the regular season. Your memory must be shot. He was a lot more to this team than just a soft 4th liner.

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Kennedy Crosby Guerin
Kunitz Malkin Pesonen
Cooke Staal Talbot
Adams Rupp Godard
Jeffrey/Caputi

Still looks really good (considering what we just won the Stanley Cup with), and contrary to almost everyone else, Shero is looking like he is showing due diligence with regards to the ominous cap situation next year.

Two right handers on the first line??!! That's unheard of for this Penguins team..

I agree with you about the lineup though. It's almost a post-trade deadline roster for the entire season. We have superstar forwards that can put the puck in the net, grinders w/ blue collar work ethics to keep the team working hard, a player's coach, a player's GM & owner, & role players for just about every situation. We also have consistency on the roster and inside the front office. We know our identity and have a nice silver shiny Cup if all else fails.

We are ridiculously blessed right now as a fan base..


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Go watch some tape from the regular season. Your memory must be shot. He was a lot more to this team than just a soft 4th liner.

The tape never lies..
I remember watching him and I totally disagree.

Shero must agree with me too. Ziggy would have took that 800k or so spent on Rupp, but Shero didn't value a 4th liner that doesn't fight and doesn't hit etc. that high. He is soft. He does just win faceoffs and doesn't do much else.

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What do you guys think about trading Dupuis and a pick to Boston for Marco Sturm? Salary dump (2 million saved) for the Bruins while we're getting a top 6 winger for effectively 2.1 million till 2011.

Sturm is a great skater who can play both special teams and is usually good for 25 goals and 50 points. He's a bit soft though and has never hit 30 goals in his career. Except for last season (where he missed 63 games with a concussion and a knee injury) he was also very durable, playing 760 of a possible 820 games. Has 2 years @ 3.5 million left on his contract.

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I remember watching him and I totally disagree.

Shero must agree with me too. Ziggy would have took that 800k or so spent on Rupp, but Shero didn't value a 4th liner that doesn't fight and doesn't hit etc. that high. He is soft. He does just win faceoffs and doesn't do much else.
Well, I respect your opinion. He's getting paid less than 1M a year for a reason and you could make some valid pts, but I'll just say he was worth a lot more to this team than his role in the NHL.

If you get a chance, watch the regular season game against the Wings where Fedo scores the OT winner. That was MT's system we were playing and Ziggy played a big part in the game. He won two key faceoffs, one of them got us the GTG with 30 seconds left and the other was to get back in the game on our 5 on 3. Not only did he come up with key faceoff wins, he outworked the Detroit defense on MT's forecheck (which we all know wasn't much) which created a few scoring chances as well. That's not your average defense and we know that. Go further than that, he also was clutch on the PK and gave the team a bit of momentum that gave the Pens a little bit of a spark to an inconsistent season. In Bylsma's system, I thought he could have been a great 2 way center in case one of our stars got injured. He understood the defensive zone & back checked like a maniac. He was a perfect fit in a lot of roles that our team had. You wouldn't say Talbot is worthless, you wouldn't say Cooke is worthless, so why don't you see what Ziggy did for our team?

Just think, we lost a few games in the postseason simply because we lost the defensive zone faceoff and the opposition turned it into a goal right away. If we had a clutch faceoff guy that also brings everything else to the table as well... his worth to the Pens is a lot more than any other team. It would have made the last 30 seconds of Game 7 a little easier to watch at least. But honestly, what if Lidstrom would have scored that goal? It was a wide open net with 3 seconds left to go. It shouldn't have even got to that point. It didn't lose us THAT game, but who knows down the road. You have to think that way when your a GM of a hockey team.

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Well, I respect your opinion. He's getting paid less than 1M a year for a reason and you could make some valid pts, but I'll just say he was worth a lot more to this team than his role in the NHL.

If you get a chance, watch the regular season game against the Wings where Fedo scores the OT winner. That was MT's system we were playing and Ziggy played a big part in the game. He won two key faceoffs, one of them got us the GTG with 30 seconds left and the other was to get back in the game on our 5 on 3. Not only did he come up with key faceoff wins, he outworked the Detroit defense on MT's forecheck (which we all know wasn't much) which created a few scoring chances as well. That's not your average defense and we know that. Go further than that, he also was clutch on the PK and gave the team a bit of momentum that gave the Pens a little bit of a spark to an inconsistent season.

Just think, we lost a few games in the postseason simply because we lost the defensive zone faceoff and the opposition turned it into a goal right away. If we had a clutch faceoff guy that also brings everything else to the table as well... his worth to the Pens is a lot more than any other team. It would have made the last 30 seconds of Game 7 a little easier to watch at least. But honestly, what if Lidstrom would have scored that goal? It was a wide open net with 3 seconds left to go. It shouldn't have even got to that point. It didn't lose us THAT game, but who knows down the road. You have to think that way when your a GM of a hockey team.
To me it's Grit > Faceoffs when it comes to the bottom 6 guys.

Faceoffs are important, but Staal or somebody else needs to start winning them and likely can with maturity/development. We shouldn't need a specialist to get the job done.

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To me it's Grit > Faceoffs when it comes to the bottom 6 guys.

Faceoffs are important, but Staal or somebody else needs to start winning them and likely can with maturity/development. We shouldn't need a specialist to get the job done.
What Zigomanis were you watching all year? The guy is a gritty hard worker. He wasn't afraid to block a shot, get dirty in a corner, crash the net, or anything that you can think of.

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What Zigomanis were you watching all year? The guy is a gritty hard worker. He wasn't afraid to block a shot, get dirty in a corner, crash the net, or anything that you can think of.
I just think Rupp is far grittier than Ziggy.

Ziggy better at faceoffs.

Shero clearly doesn't value Ziggy that high and that says a lot to me. He could have given Ziggy the same deal that he gave Rupp, but he didn't. He clearly thinks Rupp > Ziggy. I'll trust Shero on this one.

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