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07-01-2009, 01:32 PM
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Difference is Datsyuk and Luongo have proven they can play in the playoffs. Daniel hasn't (unless you count him beating up a weak St. Louis team)
Luongo hasn't proved he can win in the playoffs, we've never gone past round 2. He has shown he can be great against weak offensive teams like Dallas & StL. Wow, paugic is fun.

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Without the Sedins we may or may not improve the roster, however, with the Sedins we know that we simply cannot bring in any help and might actually lose some core players. The difference between some other bad signings eg. NYR and EDM is that they didn't give NMC's - Gillis did. This essentially gives us no "outs" and no room for improvement.

Are they worth $6.1m? As individuals - maybe. But two players like them are not worth $12.2m. Some people here can't see the forest for the trees.

I'll hope for the best, but these guy's did the team as a whole no favors at all. How long till "buyers remorse" sets in?

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Well if they don't boost the Sedins production then we have 70 point 1st liners.
This makes no sense. First of all - 70pts a season is a first liner. There are only a handful of guys that go out and get 90-100pts a season and those guys all make far in excess of $7MM per season.

Second - what is this argument all of a sudden about them boostig the Sedins production? The Sedins last season got 82 points without Hodgson on their line. Are you arguing that Burrows boosted their production and not the other way around? How about Anson Carter?

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Difference is Datsyuk and Luongo have proven they can play in the playoffs. Daniel hasn't (unless you count him beating up a weak St. Louis team)
TOI: 20:14
Goals: 2
Assists: 0
+/-: +1
SOG: 6

This was in a do-or-die elimination game.

Datsyuk's stats or Daniel's stats?

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Great five more years of this ****ing ******** for a ridiculous 6 million. **** this team. Stupid Gillis, you had a chance to change the dynamic of this team and actually improve it but no you think throwing 12.2 million down a black hole of abyss is where it's at. ****ing stupid. I hate the ****ing Sedins.

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I'm just going to put this down right now, so there are no people saying I'm a revisionist or talking about 20/20 hindsight or whatever crap like that. DAY 1: The Sedins contract is a terrible contract for this organization. It will set us back 5 years, and many of us will be complaining about it as early as next offseason.

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I won't forget. Just like I won't forget you saying Luongo was an embarrassment to the city of Vancouver and all those other mean things

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But we do count Luongo beating 2 teams that had no scoring.
Luongo had a series where he won every game we scored a goal in...

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Without the Sedins we may or may not improve the roster, however, with the Sedins we know that we simply cannot bring in any help and might actually lose some core players.
I disagree - you don't think we will bring in any more players this offseason with the cap room we have left?

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Pretty solid deal. He gave them a bit more per year, but got nice value on the term of the deal.

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Difference is Datsyuk and Luongo have proven they can play in the playoffs. Daniel hasn't (unless you count him beating up a weak St. Louis team)
He's definitely proven he can lay an egg too.

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This makes no sense. First of all - 70pts a season is a first liner. There are only a handful of guys that go out and get 90-100pts a season and those guys all make far in excess of $7MM per season.

Second - what is this argument all of a sudden about them boostig the Sedins production? The Sedins last season got 82 points without Hodgson on their line. Are you arguing that Burrows boosted their production and not the other way around? How about Anson Carter?
If the Sedins and Burrows can recreate what they had in last month or so this season, D&H will be 90 point players. Of course many will credit Burrows with all of the success.

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Luongo had a series where he won every game we scored a goal in...
um yeah, against a dallas team that had pathetic scoring.

If we can't count Daniel "beating up a weak st louis team" then why should we count Luongo beating teams that couldn't score. Especially when Luongo disappeared a lot worse than Daniel did against chicago at the end.

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God damn it :angry!!!!!!!!!111!1!!!:

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He's definitely proven he can lay an egg too.
So has every other great goalie. Everyone shifted to sniffing Cam Ward's jock and he got lit up like a Christmas tree by Pittsburgh.

I was unaware that the lineups were now set and the season has started.

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so basically if Hodgson doesn't become great fast we are worse off than last year.

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Luongo had a series where he won every game we scored a goal in...
You could describe dozens of goalies with that piece of wisdom.

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Meh. I can't say I am surprised. I had already resigned myself to another 5 years of sisters' hockey. The money is a little worse than I imagined, but otherwise it is right up there with what I was bracing for. Hopefully Gillis can manage to improve the team with more limitations now.

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You could describe dozens of goalies with that piece of wisdom.
he actually has 2 series like that.

of course he also has a series where he had the lead every game and lost 4 of 6, and one of the wins was because of a major hawks brain cramp at a key moment after Luongo was up by three and wound up with a tied game.

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Okay I need to take a break from this thread because the arguments going on in here are short-sighted and absolutely ridiculous.

1) People acting like we can't win with Luongo. Roberto Luongo is the sole reason this team even made the playoffs and advanced to round 2 back in 2007. Yes he didn't look good in the Chicago series, but he's had 3 out of 4 good series.

2) The Sedins have not proven anything in the playoffs yet. They no-showed the 07 playoffs. They took advantage of a weak defensive team in St. Louis, and Daniel no-showed the Chicago series with the exception of the last game. You can look at the stats and gush over his PPG, but when you look at the stats, he had 2 2nd assists and 1 primary assist prior to game 6 of the Chicago series. The production just wasn't there.

3) The Sedins had a big contract year. Without a strong 2nd line I don't think you'll see these guys produce as much as they did this year. Back in 06-07 teams would focus on the Naslund line because Naslund was just coming off of a big season and was deemed to be our franchise forward. In 07-08 the Sedins were targetted and regressed. This past year the Sedins had Sundin on their second line for half of the year and teams targetted his line, as well as the Sedin line. Again, they had some pressure taken off, as well had a big contract year.

4) This team was not good enough as a unit to get past the 2nd round. Why do people think that this team less a couple players will be good enough going forward? You have other teams making improvements (within or through UFA/Trades) while we're staying stagnant. This reminds me a lot of when Nonis gushed over re-signing the core. A core that wasn't good enough. This is history repeating itself.

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07-01-2009, 01:42 PM
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so basically if Hodgson doesn't become great fast we are worse off than last year.
If Hodgson, Raymond, Grabner, Bernier, Wellwood, Hansen, Rypien, O'Brien, Edler, Bieksa don't improve, we could be in trouble.

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so basically if Hodgson doesn't become great fast we are worse off than last year.
A full year of Burrows with the Sedins. Kesler came into his own as an offensize player. A full year of Luongo being healthy. There's still quite a bit of cap space to make upgrades and replace Sundin.

Maybe they can improve on winning the division.

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This is a good signing but it sure makes this day a lot duller for Canuck fans I was thinking it may be a crazy day!

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This is ****ing ridiculous. So this is the grand plan? Throw 12 million dollars at two players full of suck who haven't done anything and lose your homegrown top four defenseman. Five more years of the ****ing worthless cycle and disappearing in the playoffs. I guaran-damn-tee the Sedins will never win a Stanley Cup. Did they get NTC? Five more years of these mother****ers I'll be 29 by the time we get rid of these mother****ers **** you Gillis.

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