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07-01-2009, 10:54 PM
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Do you realize that our 3rd and 4th lines presently consist of players who took 32.5 minutes in penalties for each goal they scored last year?

Yes, you need role players, but you generally want ones that can contribute in more than a single area. Having 4 players who struggle to score and also find their way to the penalty box with alarming frequency isn't a recipe for success for the most heavily penalized team in the NHL.

In the 3rd period of a game when the Flyers have a one-goal lead, are you going to feel comfortable rolling out a 3rd line that will be near the top of the league in PIMs, even if they are solid defensively? Not to mention the fact that Carter and Richards seemed worn out last year. This year they will have to carry even more of the load w/ no offensive production to speak of coming from the bottom 2 lines and the added penalty killing burden of having signed another player who racks up PIMs plus having Carcillo here for the entire season.
Throw out fighting majors and misconducts. Minors are all we're concerned about when talking about PIM. Coburn and Hartnell were well ahead of the pack in that stat.

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Manny Malhotra is of South Asian and French Canadian descent - and he's married to Steve Nash's sister. Who knew?

http://www.mississauga.com/sports/ar...by-high-school

Malhotra, whose father is Indian and mother French Canadian, spoke of dealing with racism early in his minor hockey career.
Ahh thanks. I didn't know he was Asian....and really? racism? For being an asian hockey player? Thats weird...

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yeah Lappy does kill penalties

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Well he's a winger, so 45% isnt bad. At least its better when our centres get kicked out.
For a winger its not bad at all, but it's terribly disingenuous for Holmgren to present this as if he's contributing to the cause for our faceoff problems (which everyone knows about).

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Throw out fighting majors and misconducts. Minors are all we're concerned about when talking about PIM. Coburn and Hartnell were well ahead of the pack in that stat.
Some people refuse to accept this though. Apparently PIMs=PKs, context be damned.

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Very good post, I couldnt agree more....Which is my only concern with the Lappy signing unless he is replacing Carcillo or Asham. We need skilled bottom 6 guys that can kill penalties and even if not scoring a whole hell of a lot, at least give the top 6 guys a rest.
I actually liked Asham. The times he played third line he didn't look too bad. Eventhogh I dont like Carcillo, I think Cote is more worthless...

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Do you realize that our 3rd and 4th lines presently consist of players who took 32.5 minutes in penalties for each goal they scored last year?

Yes, you need role players, but you generally want ones that can contribute in more than a single area. Having 4 players who struggle to score and also find their way to the penalty box with alarming frequency isn't a recipe for success for the most heavily penalized team in the NHL.

In the 3rd period of a game when the Flyers have a one-goal lead, are you going to feel comfortable rolling out a 3rd line that will be near the top of the league in PIMs, even if they are solid defensively? Not to mention the fact that Carter and Richards seemed worn out last year. This year they will have to carry even more of the load w/ no offensive production to speak of coming from the bottom 2 lines and the added penalty killing burden of having signed another player who racks up PIMs plus having Carcillo here for the entire season.
this team severely lacked leadership last year, and richards was/is still not ready to wear the C in my book. 23 year old captains is the new trend it seems and i dont understand it. those guys are not mature enough to b leaders and mike was no different. he will be the guy someday we all know that, but last year was too early and i think it hurt our team . lappy is the kind of heart and soul guy we didnt have, which is why our team looked like we didnt give a **** 90% of the time. lappy and pronger are great for a number of reasons, but they are the kind of players that hold the other guys accountable and make sure they bring the effort every night.

do i want lappy out there in the third...hell yeah...when the top two line guys see him laying out blocking shots and doing everything he possibly can to win a game it will rub off on them. at least it better because i am sick of the "its only one game" bs attitude we had last year. homer had a great quote earlier on that sums up exaclty the attitude our team needs to adopt:

"it may be unreasonable to think you will win all 82 games in a season, but it is unacceptable to lose 1" - something like that

im not going to argue with you that we need a faceoff specialist pk kind of guy, but that guy doesnt have to be a 3 million dollar guy who can also score. our top 2 lines do the scoring. no need for pahlsson or madden at those prices bc all we need is a faceoff winner, and there is no need to pay a guy 3 mil to do it....i do agree that lappy is not the faceoff guy we are looking for, i dont know what homer was saying when he said that bc he is more of a winger and as someone pointed out his faceoff numbers arent too hot

sorry for the length- i only come here on trade deadline day and first few days of july, so i am getting my fill lol

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Some people refuse to accept this though. Apparently PIMs=PKs, context be damned.
Well it comes down to if your alright having 4 people go off for fighting or even go around trying to look for one. Having one or two is good, but not 4 ontop of our penalty taking team. Also would you want 4 agitators and fighters on your bottom 6 or guys who can playing and check, but arent really fighters....

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Count me in the "Like" department for this signing. Cheap pay for tough, aggressive grit. I know his name was brought up a couple of times towards the end of the year as someone who could be brought in and it turns out some of you can be intelligent on occasion

Like the original article said (although it was FILLED with errors), the intense winning driven attitude should be a positive.

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Ahh thanks. I didn't know he was Asian....and really? racism? For being an asian hockey player? Thats weird...
Nah.... it was for playing in Guelph!

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Well it comes down to if your alright having 4 people go off for fighting or even go around trying to look for one. Having one or two is good, but not 4 ontop of our penalty taking team. Also would you want 4 agitators and fighters on your bottom 6 or guys who can playing and check, but arent really fighters....
LaPerriere can play D and check, as well as agitate, as well as fight occasionally. Most important, he knows when he should be doing each. That is exactly the type of depth player I want, at any time of the game.

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07-01-2009, 11:37 PM
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Throw out fighting majors and misconducts. Minors are all we're concerned about when talking about PIM. Coburn and Hartnell were well ahead of the pack in that stat.
Even if this is true (and I don't think it is for Knuble), Hartnell and Knuble contribute in all areas of the game, and these players (Laperriere, Carcillo, Asham, Cote) do not, which was the point of my post. Do you really need 4 agitators/fighters on your team, none of whom is a legit enforcer? It seems redundant to me.

I like what I have seen from Laperriere in the past. He is solid defensively, can kill penalties (when he's not in the box, he did have somewhere around 75-80 PIMs last year not including majors I believe), and can get his team going at times w/ his obvious passion for the game. Like many others, I don't like him on the Flyers as much when we have Asham, Carcillo, and Cote already. Basically, it is not Laperriere that I don't like, it is this signing in the context of what we already have and what we need.

But, I'm still hopeful that this signing and the fact that our 5th and 6th best d-men make almost $6 million combined means that more moves are coming. If/when that happens, I can get behind this signing and it will make a lot more sense to me.

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not crazy about this signing.
why do we need another player like this.
whats next trade Gagne and Briere and sign Chris Gratton and Todd Bertuzzi?

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not crazy about this signing.
why do we need another player like this.
whats next trade Gagne and Briere and sign Chris Gratton and Todd Bertuzzi?

You think they would?

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How about Carle and Carcillo to Vancouver for Hansen and O'Brien, followed by signing of Bertuzzi?

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I dont want Bertuzzi anywhere near this hockey team.
focus on signing a 3rd line center that can win a faceoff.

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I dont want Bertuzzi anywhere near this hockey team.
focus on signing a 3rd line center that can win a faceoff.
Fair enough. He'd probably be cheaper than Malhotra, though. I'd take him, too.

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Fair enough. He'd probably be cheaper than Malhotra, though. I'd take him, too.
let Bertuzzi go to Toronto.
Sign Malhotra. hopefully to a reasonable contract.

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I only read through the first couple of pages but I was surprised at all the negativity about this signing.

Lappy's a great character guy, very responsible defensively, a solid penalty killer and an inexpensive addition to the 3rd line. Anyone calling for a traditional checking line should be thrilled with this signing.

If the Flyers can acquire a faceoff specialist, I'll be very happy with the forward group going into the regular season.

Welcome aboard, Lappy!

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let Bertuzzi go to Toronto.
Sign Malhotra. hopefully to a reasonable contract.
I'd still like a little more offense, in case a top-6 forward goes down (i.e., Gagne or Briere).

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I only read through the first couple of pages but I was surprised at all the negativity about this signing.

Lappy's a great character guy, very responsible defensively, a solid penalty killer and an inexpensive addition to the 3rd line. Anyone calling for a traditional checking line should be thrilled with this signing.

If the Flyers can acquire a faceoff specialist, I'll be very happy with the forward group going into the regular season.

Welcome aboard, Lappy!
I'm in total agreement with this post.

Not to mention the fact that Lappy is versatile enough to play center and take faceoffs as well. I get the feeling quite a few posters on here have never seen the guy play.

This is actually a quality signing.

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How about Carle and Carcillo to Vancouver for Hansen and O'Brien, followed by signing of Bertuzzi?
I think those guys are both RFA's right?
Hansen plays wing, can he take face offs?

Otherwise I pull the trigger on that.

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Reading his interview at csn, he seems genuinely excited to play for philly.
I didn't know he played with pronger before, or that he was good friends with briere b/c they have the same agent

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I'm in total agreement with this post.

Not to mention the fact that Lappy is versatile enough to play center and take faceoffs as well. I get the feeling quite a few posters on here have never seen the guy play.

This is actually a quality signing.
I agree. He's not here to replace Knuble's production or fight the guys meant for Cote. He's here to make sure the team doesn't fold like a lawn chair when up 3-0 at home in the playoffs. There will be no coasting in Laperriere's presence.

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I think he sounds like a good player and I'm glad he's on the team. I do feel like this team might be better suited for times in the past when more of the rough stuff was allowed to slide but there's nothing we can do about it. Perhaps we'll be surprisingly disciplined when it comes to minor penalties (one can hope).

NO TO BERTUZZI!


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