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07-02-2009, 04:27 AM
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please someone explain to me

why we dismantled the league's best penalty killing team.
The only thing we had that worked properly.

I think it is a mistake to let Sjoe and Blair walk.

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07-02-2009, 04:29 AM
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I don't understand it when people throw forwards on a line like they are interchangeable parts, without regard to the positions they can and do play.

Which positions can Gaborik and Higgins play? It is my understanding that Gaborik is a RW and Higgins a LW, but can they play well on the other wings? Brashear is known to be a LW, but can he play RW?

Callahan is a RW, though he has played C in the lower leagues. For our purposes, he is only a RW. Dubinsky can play C/LW. Zherdev is a RW. Korpikoski LW/C. Drury C/RW. Avery LW (with a little C thrown in).

Boyle and Anisimov are centers, correct?

So as of now, here are the players who actually play each position, rather than the NHL 09 style of swapping forwards like they're trading cards.

LW: Higgins, Avery, Korpikoski, Brashear, (Dubinsky)
C: Dubinsky, Drury, Anisimov, Boyle, Korpikoski, (Avery)
RW: Gaborik, Zherdev, Callahan, (Drury)

Given that, here are the likely lines based on which position each player can actually play. Feel free to move them up and down the columns, but swapping them back and forth is an exercise in fan fantasy:

Higgins-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Avery-Drury-Zherdev
Korpikoski-(Anisimov)-Callahan
Brashear-(Boyle)-??

Spares: Voros (LW) and Byers (LW)

Perhaps Squishy can comment on where Anisimov and Byers have played other than their primary positions, but it isn't safe to assume that they can fill in just anywhere.

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07-02-2009, 04:40 AM
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with this line up we will be hard pressed to make playoffs let alone go past first round.

or did Minnesota have such a succesful post season history?

We replaced antropov with Higgins which must be an even trade based on points

and got Gabby instead of Naslund - a big question mark at this point.

and sofar we lost a Center!

and we Lost the best PK unit in the league.

....and we got the Missing Link! we lost Hollywood so we got another dumb *******!

Sofar after all this wheeling and dealing I say we stand possible worse off than we were.


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07-02-2009, 06:04 AM
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Possible lineups for 2009 - 2010?

Is it too early to start looking at our possible lineups for the upcoming NHL season? Its certainly possible that we could have more signings or trades upcoming this offseason, but I always like to take a look at what our possible lineups could look like, so let's see:

Forward Lines:

Gabby-Dubi-Zman
Cally-Dru-Higgins
Aves-AA-Korpedo
Byers-Boyle-(Voros/Brashear)

Defense Lines:

Redden-Rozy
Staal-Girardi
Potter-Gilroy
(Sauer)

Goaltender:

Lundy
Spiderman

Not a bad lineup as of right now. It has two superstars, some homegrown talent, some defensive stopping power and the best goaltending in the East. I am a bit worried about forward depth, especialy with a couple band aid boys like Gabby and Higgins coming in this year.

I would say there is still one GAPING hole that we have yet to fill. We still have no quarterback for our power play. Redden and Rozy are both second unit guys right now. We need a first unit quarterback and I don't see Sangs or DZ being ready yet.

So we have given up a great deal of our elite penalty killing talent in Betts and Sjostrom and gotten better on the power play (adding Gabby and Higgins). I still worry that without a true 1st unit QB though our power play is medoicre at best.

Oh, and one more thing. Brashear as a Ranger makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit every time I think about it.

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07-02-2009, 06:14 AM
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6th to 8th seed. First round exit. You guys need to get rid of Sather.

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6th to 8th seed. First round exit. You guys need to get rid of Sather.
Not like you are a homer or anything...("Rangers having the worst off-season on day one" for example)

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Perhaps Squishy can comment on where Anisimov and Byers have played other than their primary positions, but it isn't safe to assume that they can fill in just anywhere.
Byers has played left wing exclusively in his time with the Pack.

Anisimov played left wing for about 2 and a half games last season, but only because he was nursing an injury and couldn't take draws. Otherwise he's played center exclusively.

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07-02-2009, 06:33 AM
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6th to 8th seed. First round exit. You guys need to get rid of Sather.
nah we need someone to kidnap him on july 1st, 11 am, and then hold him hostage for 48 hours.

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I think everyone is expecting a little too much from Gilroy...granted I never saw the kid play but I'm a little more sceptical

how many Defensmen make the jump right from NCAA to NHL?
how many players in general for that matter?

I dont know...im sure if he makes the squad over potter/sauer/sangs/MDZ then he earned it...but im thinking id be surprised if hes on the ice at all the first half of the season

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Hell no. That is crazy. You do not throw that many young players on defense at once, and there is NO reason to at all.
I dont thinkk you read my post correctly fly.

I said what if God forbid Stall and Girardi go down...

That will HAVE to be your defense, unless you are at the mercy of other teams and pick up their scrubs in the process.

The Rangers have to sign another serviceable defensman, and if they flip Rozy for a center as others are suggesting - they still would be in the same position. I dont think people are really adding up the bucks here.

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you put 2 rookies together as the third pairing Torts is gonna use them like five minutes a game each and Rozy, Staal, Redden, Girardi are gonna be worn out, get hurt, and we're screwed.
Thank you.

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07-02-2009, 08:46 AM
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The only thing that would make me worry is injury...

But considering every single one of our prospects, I'm willing to believe that 2 of them can play at the NHL level. We are as deep as it gets at defense.

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07-02-2009, 08:53 AM
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The only thing that would make me worry is injury...

But considering every single one of our prospects, I'm willing to believe that 2 of them can play at the NHL level. We are as deep as it gets at defensive prospects.
fixed it for you....theres a big difference

make no mistake...we will be hurting on D this year...especially if Rozi gets traded

However...in 2-3 years we could potentially be a deffensive powerhouse

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Gaborik is a RW and the Rangers also signed Heikkinen and Ambuhl from Europe. Both players are suppose to be good NHL players.

Heikkinen had like 34 points last year as a defenseman in Finland. Ambuhl is a fast winger and could make the team. Seems like people forget about these two guys.

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I'm just so over Roszival. Obviously he's not terrible, but I think its time for a change there. I'd like to see him go. And I think he will, actually.

Would love to have Mara back at a reasonable price.

Staal-Girardi
Redden-[kid]
Mara-[kid]

Or fill one of those open spots through a trade or FA.

Think we can get away with that?

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I think we should not do anything else at this point. Sign the RFAs and fill the remaining spots with kids. That roster will be good enough to compete for a playoff spot. If money is too tight, then maybe we trade Rozy for a cheaper dman and a pick.

Then at the trade deadline, we can re-evaluate where we are and see what pieces we want to add.

All that being said, if there's any way you can get rid of Redden's contract, you do it.

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Gaborik is a RW and the Rangers also signed Heikkinen and Ambuhl from Europe. Both players are suppose to be good NHL players.

Heikkinen had like 34 points last year as a defenseman in Finland. Ambuhl is a fast winger and could make the team. Seems like people forget about these two guys.
Don't worry, no one guessed the opening roster of last years team during last summer, they won't do it again. These threads are always amusing, no one ever gets the opening roster right, ever.

But it wastes alot of time so I guess thats why they do it, bored out of their minds.....

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All of these defense combination, where you drop Mara and Morris and add all these young guys, who many are saying aren't ready to be a sixth D-man yet, yet alone a fourth or fifth, are very scary. Hank fell off the Vezina ballot last season, looks like he may be falling off the all-star team this year too.

Gaborik better score well over 50 goals to make up for the fact that:

1) Tortorella is going to stress offense, not defense
2) Two of the best penalty killers in the league, Betts and Sjostrom, won't be back
3) Defense looks like it may be trial by error, with all these kids who may not be ready

Come to think of it, Higgin better add 30 goals of his own...

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The unexplored option.

Callahan - Dubinsky - Gaborik
Not gonna happen. Callahan and Gaborik are both RWs.

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Zherdev-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Callahan-Drury-Higgins
Avery-Anisimov-Korpikoski
Brashear-Boyle-Byers
Unrealistic. Zherdev and Gaborik play the same position. Avery and Korpikoski as well. Brashear and Byers too.

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Avery Dubinsky Gaborik
Higgins Drury Callahan
Korpikoski Anisimov Zherdev
Brashear Boyle Voros

Staal Girardi
Redden Rozsival
Mara Gilroy

Lundqvist
Valiquette

That is what it looks right now.

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07-02-2009, 10:16 AM
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Gaborik is a RW and the Rangers also signed Heikkinen and Ambuhl from Europe. Both players are suppose to be good NHL players.

Heikkinen had like 34 points last year as a defenseman in Finland. Ambuhl is a fast winger and could make the team. Seems like people forget about these two guys.
It's not so much that I've forgotten them as it is I remember Andreas Jamtin.

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07-02-2009, 10:28 AM
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I'd hate to burst some bubbles, but at 19, those no way in hell Evgeny Grachev will be on the roster next season.

If you want to examine the perils of rushing a kid into the NHL as a teenager, look no further than our old friend Nik Antropov.

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Shouldn't we wait until the Rangers are done? All of these lineup predictions will be useless if Sather decides to make another move.

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I'd hate to burst some bubbles, but at 19, those no way in hell Evgeny Grachev will be on the roster next season.

If you want to examine the perils of rushing a kid into the NHL as a teenager, look no further than our old friend Nik Antropov.

IF
he manages to display dominance at the AHL level then I can see the Rangers at least giving him a cup of coffee just to see where he stands. Penciling him in the lineup from the get go is premature though.

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