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07-03-2009, 12:27 PM
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Or send that message to other potential Free Agents out there?

I'd like Sturm but my guess is all we end up with will be Fedetenko.
Fedotenko would be a great option

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07-03-2009, 12:37 PM
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Fedotenko would be a great option
I just don't see him as The option. Looks like he's probably heading back to Pitt anyway.


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07-03-2009, 12:56 PM
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I just don't see him as The option. Looks like he's probably heading back to Pitt anyway.
lol, make up your mind.

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07-03-2009, 01:02 PM
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lol, make up your mind.
Well on a Pitt blog it does look like LA is pushing for him but they have said that Pitt has made a stronger offer now. Take it with a grain of salt.

I just see one major hole to fill, I like Fedetenko but he is not my first choice by far.

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07-03-2009, 01:06 PM
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Penguins sign winger Ruslan Fedotenko to a one-year contract
Well, he is gone.

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07-03-2009, 01:20 PM
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Next big deal Kings make, if they make one, is going to be a trade. I don't expect any more signings.

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07-03-2009, 02:56 PM
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07-03-2009, 03:24 PM
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Well on a Pitt blog it does look like LA is pushing for him but they have said that Pitt has made a stronger offer now. Take it with a grain of salt.

I just see one major hole to fill, I like Fedetenko but he is not my first choice by far.

Frolov Kopi Williams
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I still like Ponikorovsky there. Big fast and works in his own end.

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07-03-2009, 08:27 PM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283634
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Sources tell TSN the NHL and the NHLPA are investigating what might have been an enormous mistake by the Chicago Blackhawks.

Chicago tendered qualifying offers to several key players this week, including Kris Versteeg, Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Colin Fraser, Aaron Johnson and Troy Brouwer, however the investigation underway is to determine whether the qualifying offers were filed correctly.

If not, there is the remote possibility the qualifying offers could be ruled invalid and the players listed above, conceivably, could be deemed unrestricted free agents because of the blunder.
Potentially a massive ****-up by the Blackhawks here.

Would give the Kings some more options on free agency if they become unrestricted free agents.

Something similar happened with New Jersey back in 2000. Link
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5. The New Jersey Devils had an option to renew the contracts of defenceman Brian Rafalski and forward John Madden, but forgot to send out the necessary paperwork.

As a result, both players qualified to become free agents without compensation.

Rafalski was due to earn US$450,000 this season and Madden $550,000. Knowing the Devils, they could have expected 10 percent raises for the next few seasons.

Instead, general manager Lou Lamoriello had to cave in big time. Rafalski got a four-year, $11-million deal. Madden will earn $7 million over the same span.

To make matters worse, an arbitrator ruled that since this was an unusual type of free agency, these salaries can be used as comparables for every young player in the league who goes to arbitration.


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07-03-2009, 08:29 PM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283634Potentially a massive ****-up by the Blackhawks here. Would give the Kings some more options on free agency if they become unrestricted free agents.
We'd for sure put a bid in for Versteeg, what a coup that would be.

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07-03-2009, 08:37 PM
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We'd for sure put a bid in for Versteeg, what a coup that would be.
I would almost rather trade for Versteeg than get him as a UFA.

His asking price will go through the roof as a UFA.

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07-03-2009, 08:45 PM
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I would almost rather trade for Versteeg than get him as a UFA.

His asking price will go through the roof as a UFA.
In a perfect world...

Does that mean he isn't worth having on this team?

Heart, grit, skill, goals, young, fresh off a trip to the conference finals. If he hits UFA I would hope DL overpays for him on a long term contract. Talk about a 'fit'.

What are you thinking he'd get on the open market? Has a calder canidate EVER gone directly to UFA? I could see him getting (and would be OK giving) a 5 or 6 year contract that pays him an average of 4 million.

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07-03-2009, 08:55 PM
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Reading the thread on the Trade/UFA board about this, it looks like the Blackhawks MAILED the qualifying offers to their RFA's but the CBA clearly states that the offers must be overnighted or faxed to an agent, so it's a clear violation. The fact that there is also a precedent for this (Rafalski/Madden) could mean the Blackhawks are ****ed!
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07-03-2009, 08:58 PM
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In a perfect world...

Does that mean he isn't worth having on this team?

Heart, grit, skill, goals, young, fresh off a trip to the conference finals. If he hits UFA I would hope DL overpays for him on a long term contract. Talk about a 'fit'.

What are you thinking he'd get on the open market? Has a calder canidate EVER gone directly to UFA? I could see him getting (and would be OK giving) a 5 or 6 year contract that pays him an average of 4 million.
Sounds about right....but with a lot of desperate teams out there I would not be surprised to see more years and/or moree money offered.

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07-03-2009, 08:59 PM
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Reading the thread on the Trade/UFA board about this, it looks like the Blackhawks MAILED the qualifying offers to their RFA's but the CBA clearly states that the offers must be overnighted or faxed to an agent, so it's a clear violation. The fact that there is also a precedent for this (Rafalski/Madden) could mean the Blackhawks are ****ed!
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Dean might luck out if this does happen and he swoops in quickly. He thought it would just be poor cap management, but instead, a clerical error could result in getting top young talent because the team can not afford to keep it!

That would be pretty funny.

After the Hawks leapfrogged us to grab Kane, ******* 'EM, I will laugh all summer if we can grab Versteeg (hell, throw in an Eager too ) and Chicago, even with Hossa, drops off because of this after losing a bunch of key young players.

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Say we don't get anyone else...

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07-03-2009, 09:04 PM
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Sounds about right....but with a lot of desperate teams out there I would not be surprised to see more years and/or moree money offered.
Who are the desparate teams who haven't already blown their cap wad this summer?

We were one of only a couple of teams that didn't go an eat up most of their remaining cap space, and most of these teams still have their own RFA's to sign.

Either way, this can only be good for the Kings. If another team with RFA's to sign overpays for one of Chicago's guys, then we can benefit by offer sheeting or trading for their players who they would then not be able to afford.

Check out this breakdown Quisp did on his blog, you'll enjoy it.

http://kwisp.wordpress.com/2009/07/0...rs-and-buyers/

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07-03-2009, 09:05 PM
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In a perfect world...

Does that mean he isn't worth having on this team?

Heart, grit, skill, goals, young, fresh off a trip to the conference finals. If he hits UFA I would hope DL overpays for him on a long term contract. Talk about a 'fit'.

What are you thinking he'd get on the open market? Has a calder canidate EVER gone directly to UFA? I could see him getting (and would be OK giving) a 5 or 6 year contract that pays him an average of 4 million.
I think he could get more than $4 million. Gionta just got $5 million from the Habs, and Versteeg would be signing at age 23.

I'd look into Eager seriously. A checking line of Eager-Handzus-Simmonds would be great.

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07-03-2009, 09:16 PM
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I was joking around on the 1st with a Hawks fan friend of mine, telling him we should offer sheet Eager. Well, now, look what we have here. May not even need to.

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07-03-2009, 09:31 PM
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Who are the desparate teams who haven't already blown their cap wad this summer?

We were one of only a couple of teams that didn't go an eat up most of their remaining cap space, and most of these teams still have their own RFA's to sign.

Either way, this can only be good for the Kings. If another team with RFA's to sign overpays for one of Chicago's guys, then we can benefit by offer sheeting or trading for their players who they would then not be able to afford.
There are probably only a handful of teams....but all it takes is one other team willing to pay more than Dean.

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07-03-2009, 09:36 PM
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Live in the Now summed this up nicely. I don't know if he's right but I like where his head is at.


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I actually think this is a very simple situation. If the letters were dropped in the mailbox, the qualifying offers were not valid. The CBA states that near-explicitly when mentioning the methods of valid delivery for these QO's. If they aren't valid then there's no matter of the NHL "making them UFA's." They just...are... because Chicago never tendered them an offer.

The only thing to discuss (and the only thing that actually has any meaning in this) is whether or not the contracts were simply dropped in the mailbox.
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07-03-2009, 09:43 PM
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Any rumors on who the Kings are looking at? Tanguay, Kovy, Kotalik, Bertuzzi, Sykora, Pyatt all out there still....

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Most of us would do what it takes to get Versteeg, but will Dean? I'm sure a team like Minn will offer a lot.

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