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07-02-2009, 07:06 PM
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Agreed. Also should note that Gaborik doesn't seem like the type of player that needs a playmaker feeding him the puck when he is already in shooting position. It's more give Gaborik the puck and then the center gets into position for a rebound or pass. He seems to want the puck on his stick which is why I don't see him meshing with a Gomez/Thornton type center. Dubinsky could really benefit similar to how he did playing with Jagr.



Honestly I'm more concerned with the first line left wing position than center position. Really not thrilled with Avery on the top line... if Callahan is able to play his off-wing I'd consider him there first, if not Callahan, I'd prefer Higgins or possibly Zherdev (moving to his off-wing).
Beware the Sather Jedi mind trick...Heatley's still out there.

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07-02-2009, 07:57 PM
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Beware the Sather Jedi mind trick...Heatley's still out there.
Still need a center.

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Wish I heard this, but good recap all.

I think Dubinsky IS the young player you exchange for Richards, and I assume the other component is Redden if you're going to make it work financially.

Of course, then you've potentially got a real shortage of experience on the blueline and not a lot of cap flexibility to fill it.

What's better for this team? Assume Gabby can generate the offense without the ideal center, or hope he can generate SO much offense with the ideal center that you can foresake the defense?
please get lessons on how to watch hockey and crtique players correctly. Wade Redden is a slow, weak, not aggressive and well over paid defensmen. The Ranegrs would dump him in a heartbeat i would have to beleive, but than again they did sign him. Point is his play will not be of importance in there d.

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listen here to Kay (Torts) clip.

http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?id=4303676

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thanks man! listening now.

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"There just aren't enough players on this team who can hit with some serious strength. Not just enough to run into someone, but actually hit hard enough that people don't want to get hit."

Not a Brashear fan, but clearly this quote is right on.

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07-02-2009, 09:00 PM
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"There just aren't enough players on this team who can hit with some serious strength. Not just enough to run into someone, but actually hit hard enough that people don't want to get hit."

Not a Brashear fan, but clearly this quote is right on.
Well that explains Chris Neil.

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07-02-2009, 09:02 PM
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Well that explains Chris Neil.
Still wish we landed him

Would have made us a much tougher team to play against.

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Still wish we landed him

Would have made us a much tougher team to play against.
It would have, but it also prevents a guy like Byers or Korpikoski from cracking the line up.

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07-02-2009, 09:17 PM
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please get lessons on how to watch hockey and crtique players correctly. Wade Redden is a slow, weak, not aggressive and well over paid defensmen. The Ranegrs would dump him in a heartbeat i would have to beleive, but than again they did sign him. Point is his play will not be of importance in there d.
you really need to stop telling people to watch hockey or learn lessons....because youre the one who should analyze your own posts. your way off in your pathetic rants about what this team has done. All of us on this board here watched this team all year and redden wasnt as bad as youre making him out to be so why dont you stop being so damn ignorant and look past his contract because we all are well aware its atrocious but the player himself isnt that bad. He was even much better towards the end of the season under torts...get...a....clue

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07-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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The thing I love most about the people that miss Orr is the fact that they think he was some sort of deterrent. If this was in any way the case, why was the guy we just signed allowed to do what he did to Betts. If Torts was the driver behind getting Orr out of town I feel even more confident in him. I am loving what I am hearing from this guy.
If I remember correctly (and it has been a while) Orr was not playing in the game when Betts got leveled by Donald, so he could not deter it from happening.

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If I remember correctly (and it has been a while) Orr was not playing in the game when Betts got leveled by Donald, so he could not deter it from happening.
i was thinking the same thing. I remember saying when it happened, man i wish orr was out there.

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It would have, but it also prevents a guy like Byers or Korpikoski from cracking the line up.
If the Rangers got Neil instead of Brashear, it would have been great... but not for the contract we offered him.

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07-02-2009, 11:08 PM
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"There just aren't enough players on this team who can hit with some serious strength. Not just enough to run into someone, but actually hit hard enough that people don't want to get hit."

Not a Brashear fan, but clearly this quote is right on.
Does he mean Brashear solves this, or we are not done getting heavy hitters?

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A lot is said about things not being done over night...

Maybe they are waiting till July 15th to buy out Redden?

Maybe thats where the cap room is coming from for these centers and RFAS... Sather seemed pretty confident in getting them signed, no problem.

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I really dont get the left handed center part....
Forehand pass to Gaborik on the right.

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Forehand pass to Gaborik on the right.
I understood that part LOL...It just seemed weird to me that would matter to him as much.

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07-02-2009, 11:58 PM
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Does he mean Brashear solves this, or we are not done getting heavy hitters?
I think they are hoping to make a collective change from soft and defensive to tough and aggressive. Its just totaly different than what Renney wanted. I would imagine that they will bring in a couple more players(with some others going out).

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07-03-2009, 02:38 AM
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You mean he was articulate and used big words that some Ranger fans are not accustomed to. Right?
No, he was indirect/non-assertive type and didn't hold people accountable - nothing I admire/respect in a sports coach (he'd make a great PR guy).

Name a great, HOF quality sports coach who sounds like Renny? The polite, soft-spoken, politician with well chosen words (mostly because he's afraid to mispeak). Renny=soft. Parcells=harda$$=2XSB champ, Belichick=bigger harda$$=5XSB champ (mastermind behind Giants Defense for 2), Phil Jackson=another harda$$...

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No, he was indirect/non-assertive type and didn't hold people accountable - nothing I admire/respect in a sports coach (he'd make a great PR guy).

Name a great, HOF quality sports coach who sounds like Renny? The polite, soft-spoken, politician with well chosen words (mostly because he's afraid to mispeak). Renny=soft. Parcells=harda$$=2XSB champ, Belichick=bigger harda$$=5XSB champ (mastermind behind Giants Defense for 2), Phil Jackson=another harda$$...
I was all for the Renney firing, but you're way off here. The first, FIRST, guy I thought of when it came to "HOF quality coach" and NY was Joe Torre. Pretty much the definition of the "polite, soft-spoken, politician with well chosen words".

Different successful coaches have different styles. And different teams in different eras need different styles. There is no 1 way to get it done.

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07-03-2009, 09:22 AM
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Name a great, HOF quality sports coach who sounds like Renny? The polite, soft-spoken, politician with well chosen words
Bill Belichik
Joe Torre
Scotty Bowman
Al Arbour
Tom Landry
Chuck Noll

How many would you like?

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i really feel this is torts way of challenging dubi to be the first line center...i feel dubiis goin to hear this and push harder from thru training camp and prove to torts he can handle it, which is exactly what torts wants and expects

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No, he was indirect/non-assertive type and didn't hold people accountable - nothing I admire/respect in a sports coach (he'd make a great PR guy).

Name a great, HOF quality sports coach who sounds like Renny? The polite, soft-spoken, politician with well chosen words (mostly because he's afraid to mispeak). Renny=soft. Parcells=harda$$=2XSB champ, Belichick=bigger harda$$=5XSB champ (mastermind behind Giants Defense for 2), Phil Jackson=another harda$$...
Phil Jackson's a harda$$? Really?

The "soft coaches can't win" argument is cliche and completely false.

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07-03-2009, 10:28 AM
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I think "soft" coaches are the biggest winners, but they need the right team. Idf Renney were coaching a team like Buffalo '07, they would have won, IMO.

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All this running down of Renney is just silly.

I can't take these people seriously.

It was time for a change. A guy like Torts was available and willing. You make the move. Simple.

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