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07-03-2009, 12:39 PM
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Purcell...

Can anyone give me a scouting report of likely potential and his role with the Kings for next year?

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ted_purcell

all that you need to know about him...

basically with Brian Boyle gone
and the unlikelihood of Matt Moulson's return to LA

DL will give Purcell pretty much a full season

he is expected to be a top 6 forward, most likely filling a spot on the 2nd line

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07-03-2009, 12:57 PM
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Guy signed as a free agent out of college where he put up some nice numbers. Went to Manchester and was ROTY for the AHL. Good shot but more of a half board playmaker. Not very fast but has good hands. Needs to learn to compete on ever shift. This season will probably be his last to nail down a spot. Has very good offensive potential but I don't know if he fits the B. Schenn kind of mold that Lombardi loves so much.

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07-03-2009, 12:59 PM
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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ted_purcell

all that you need to know about him...

basically with Brian Boyle gone
and the unlikelihood of Matt Moulson's return to LA

DL will give Purcell pretty much a full season

he is expected to be a top 6 forward, most likely filling a spot on the 2nd line
Thanks for the link - but had already read that. Before any other deals, is there any chance that TP gets a shot at a top 6 role next year?

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Thanks for the link - but had already read that. Before any other deals, is there any chance that TP gets a shot at a top 6 role next year?
He really has to earn it. He put up great numbers in the AHL but I'm not convinced he will ever be as dominant in the NHL. It would be nice to be wrong tho.

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He definitely has the potential to be a second line winger, no doubt about it... It is whether or not he can put all of the pieces together and earn his job. If we don't sign another second tier forward he will be a second line left winger for us this season.

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Just my opinion: Purcell has arguably the softest hands on the team. He's an excellent passer with a decent shot. I think at worst, he'll find a place in the league as a PP specialist. He's soft, and needs to fight harder for pucks along the boards. I honestly can't remember him fighting through traffic to make a play.

His defensive play, which was HORRIBLE during his first few stints (he got caught out of position badly on a number of occasions), was passable by the end of the season.

He was a late bloomer physically, which I think retarded his development because he didn't play major junior. So, even though he's an older guy, he's still learning and developing. He seems like a good kid, and I'm rooting for him to stick in the NHL.

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Just my opinion: Purcell has arguably the softest hands on the team. He's an excellent passer with a decent shot. I think at worst, he'll find a place in the league as a PP specialist. He's soft, and needs to fight harder for pucks along the boards. I honestly can't remember him fighting through traffic to make a play.

His defensive play, which was HORRIBLE during his first few stints (he got caught out of position badly on a number of occasions), was passable by the end of the season.

He was a late bloomer physically, which I think retarded his development because he didn't play major junior. So, even though he's an older guy, he's still learning and developing. He seems like a good kid, and I'm rooting for him to stick in the NHL.
This. I'm one of his biggest fans, but yes he still needs to learn the NHL game. On the PP he's GREAT.

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Just my opinion: Purcell has arguably the softest hands on the team. He's an excellent passer with a decent shot. I think at worst, he'll find a place in the league as a PP specialist. He's soft, and needs to fight harder for pucks along the boards. I honestly can't remember him fighting through traffic to make a play.

His defensive play, which was HORRIBLE during his first few stints (he got caught out of position badly on a number of occasions), was passable by the end of the season.

He was a late bloomer physically, which I think retarded his development because he didn't play major junior. So, even though he's an older guy, he's still learning and developing. He seems like a good kid, and I'm rooting for him to stick in the NHL.
ditto to all that. I think if he can get open ice he will do well. Problem is he hasn't been able to do it himself yet.

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Let's hope Purcell is training this summer like he's never trained before in his life. Coming up in a couple months is quite possibly the most important camp of his career.

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You cannot change a player's style. He has great hands, makes nice passes and has an accurate shot. His lack of toughness would be little concern if he had speed, which unfortunately he does not. Purcell is yet another in a long line of Kings' prospects whose speed does not compensate for his toughness and whose toughness does not compensate for his lack of speed.

Speed
Skill
Toughness

Those are what makes a complete package and, in this league, if you lack 1 and 3, you are doomed to the AHL.

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You cannot change a player's style. He has great hands, makes nice passes and has an accurate shot. His lack of toughness would be little concern if he had speed, which unfortunately he does not. Purcell is yet another in a long line of Kings' prospects whose speed does not compensate for his toughness and whose toughness does not compensate for his lack of speed.

Speed
Skill
Toughness

Those are what makes a complete package and, in this league, if you lack 1 and 3, you are doomed to the AHL.
what can you expect when the Kings' highest scoring winger lacked 1 and 3... it's in our nature...

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Speed
Skill
Toughness
Oy vey... do any Kings players have this? Stoll, Brown and Williams seems to be the closest to having all three. Hell, I think Moller actually has the best combo of those attributes, only without the physical frame to match the toughness in his head and his game.

Brown is kind of fast, tough as hell, not that skilled.
Kopitar can be fast, has tons of skill, isn't very tough.
Frolov is very skilled, has some speed sometimes, and is pretty tough, but not in the general sense.
Williams is fast, has some skill and is tough.
Stoll isn't slow, has some skill and is tough.
Purcell is slow, skilled and wimpy.
Moller is fast, skilled and tough for a midget.

There's our top 6 guys. If we go by those three things, balance between them goes in descending order like this:

Williams
Stoll
Frolov
Moller
Brown
Kopitar
Purcell

... erm... uum....


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Oy vey... do any Kings players have this? Stoll, Brown and Williams seems to be the closest to having all three. Hell, I think Moller actually has the best combo of those attributes, only without the physical frame to match the toughness in his head and his game.

Brown is kind of fast, tough as hell, not that skilled.
Kopitar can be fast, has tons of skill, isn't very tough.
Frolov is very skilled, has some speed sometimes, and is pretty tough, but not in the general sense.
Williams is fast, has some skill and is tough.
Stoll isn't slow, has some skill and is tough.
Purcell is slow, skilled and wimpy.
Moller is fast, skilled and tough for a midget.

There's our top 6 guys. If we go by those three things, balance between them goes in descending order like this:

Williams
Stoll
Frolov
Moller
Brown
Kopitar
Purcell

... erm... uum....


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Hence why the team sucked and sucks still.

Look at the top 10 teams in the league and do the same analysis. There is a reason Detroit and Pittsburgh went to the finals again.

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Hence why the team sucked and sucks still.

Look at the top 10 teams in the league and do the same analysis. There is a reason Detroit and Pittsburgh went to the finals again.
You know this fact is kind of all the more reason that we need to be VERY careful with what players are brought in to the fold. If we are going to rely on Brown and Kopitar as the team leaders for the foreseeable future, chemistry and having complimentary talents is going to be even more important. Whoever is brought in needs to exemplify toughness along with either skill or speed, otherwise we are missing a really important element in the top six.

Unless Moller comes to camp having had a growth spurt of 2 inches and has 20 extra lbs of muscle on his bones and beats down the world with a Swedish smile.

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So with the Smyth trade, is Purcell going to be stuck on the 3rd line where he won't be helping the team or his development? Is there a chance DL decides not to re-sign him now?

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So with the Smyth trade, is Purcell going to be stuck on the 3rd line where he won't be helping the team or his development? Is there a chance DL decides not to re-sign him now?
He'll trade him before he just lets him go for free.

To me Purcell is a lot like Kyle Wellwood. Expecting him to be tough or have that compete factor just isn't a realistic expectation and that's ok, it's not his game. He'll either fit in or get moved.

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You cannot change a player's style. He has great hands, makes nice passes and has an accurate shot. His lack of toughness would be little concern if he had speed, which unfortunately he does not. Purcell is yet another in a long line of Kings' prospects whose speed does not compensate for his toughness and whose toughness does not compensate for his lack of speed.

Speed
Skill
Toughness

Those are what makes a complete package and, in this league, if you lack 1 and 3, you are doomed to the AHL.
Let's apply this measure to our new King Smyth.

Speed - enough
Skill - enough
Toughness - more than the rest of our team combined.

WINNER!

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07-04-2009, 02:59 PM
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Purcell is a great play maker. I don't know how many times last year we saw a great pass and no one was there to bury it.
I hope the Kings keep him. I do agree 3rd line minutes for Purcell is a waste but maybe this year it might help?

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Purcell is a great play maker. I don't know how many times last year we saw a great pass and no one was there to bury it.
I hope the Kings keep him. I do agree 3rd line minutes for Purcell is a waste but maybe this year it might help?
I would definately give him a shot on the 3rd line for at least a few games. I think Simmonds offensive upside is higher than he gets credit for, I think he could pot a good amount with purcell feeding him. I don't know if I would roll that line against a physical team but I think it could be very productive (for a 3rd line) against certain teams.

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