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07-03-2009, 02:44 PM
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Heatley > Semin

almost a latteral move for Ottawa, we are going to have to trade or sign a top 6 forward :p
Its a good lateral move considering Heatley wants out.

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07-03-2009, 03:39 PM
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Ottawa doesn't do this. They get hosed.

Carlson, Neuvirth, Fehr, 1st.
That's a better package then the Edmonton one.. by quite a bit I might add. That's the type of deal Ottawa would get for Heatley if; Ottawa is rebuilding, Heatley doesn't have a NTC, and doesn't demand a trade. IIRC that's almost identical to what Anaheim wanted for Pronger.

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07-03-2009, 03:51 PM
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Heatley is a better player than Alexander Semin. This is not a debatable point. Statistics on this one don't lie.

Not all points of view are equal and opposite. If you tell me the moon is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese, and not rock, I won't bother to argue. Similarly, the fact that Heatley has outperformed Semin and is the more reliable scoring winger is beyond contesting.

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07-03-2009, 04:07 PM
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Man if that ever happened Washington would be scary.

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Ottawa doesn't do this. They get hosed.

Carlson, Neuvirth, Fehr, 1st.
Salary?

but haha Ottawa would have prospects Karlson and Carlson

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Heatley is a better player than Alexander Semin. This is not a debatable point. Statistics on this one don't lie.

Not all points of view are equal and opposite. If you tell me the moon is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese, and not rock, I won't bother to argue. Similarly, the fact that Heatley has outperformed Semin and is the more reliable scoring winger is beyond contesting.
It's just last year says opposite... And then Heatly won't like his new team and demand another trade...

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07-03-2009, 04:19 PM
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It's just last year says opposite... And then Heatly won't like his new team and demand another trade...
A player's history extends further than a single season. Plenty of players burn bright and flame out after a brilliant season.

Joe Juneau, anyone?

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Heatley is a better player than Alexander Semin. This is not a debatable point. Statistics on this one don't lie.

Not all points of view are equal and opposite. If you tell me the moon is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese, and not rock, I won't bother to argue. Similarly, the fact that Heatley has outperformed Semin and is the more reliable scoring winger is beyond contesting.
But value is an infinitely debatable point. Semin's value is likely higher at the moment because of this fiasco.

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The first proposal is pathetic

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But value is an infinitely debatable point. Semin's value is likely higher at the moment because of this fiasco.
Well, he is still Russian which, as we saw with Kulikov at the draft, is a concern.

I agree his value is probably higher right now in terms of marketable commodity; but I still rather have Heatley on my team.

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Well, he is still Russian which, as we saw with Kulikov at the draft, is a concern.

I agree his value is probably higher right now in terms of marketable commodity; but I still rather have Heatley on my team.
The only team the values matter to (in this scenario) is Washington, and there's no way Heatley's value would be anything close to Semin's value for the Capitals.

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Sal-a-ry-cap?
And Nylander. .

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The only team the values matter to (in this scenario) is Washington, and there's no way Heatley's value would be anything close to Semin's value for the Capitals.
The same is true to the Senators though.

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The same is true to the Senators though.
Not if they have no choice but to trade him.

Obviously Washington isn't in anything close to the position to give them the best offer, which means if it comes down to the Caps as a serious target for him (which it never would, of course) then that means there's nobody else he'd accept that would give up anything.

Which means it really doesn't matter whether the Sens think the value is fair, as long as they think it's better than keeping him.

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Not if they have no choice but to trade him.

Obviously Washington isn't in anything close to the position to give them the best offer, which means if it comes down to the Caps as a serious target for him (which it never would, of course) then that means there's nobody else he'd accept that would give up anything.

Which means it really doesn't matter whether the Sens think the value is fair, as long as they think it's better than keeping him.
There's always a choice.

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Heatley's not going to net a player the caliber of Semin. Not after requesting a trade and subsequently turning down a trade.

Look at the returns for Thornton, Pronger (Edmonton-Anaheim trade), and Luongo. Star players don't always get massive returns. And asking for a trade really hurts their value.

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07-03-2009, 05:16 PM
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There's always a choice.
Of course. Since none of us are privy to the exact details it's tough to say exactly how narrow that choice is, but obviously its there.


I think Murray would jump at an offer of Semin for Heatley if he got it at this point, though, unless the Rangers (or similar) are still trying to offer a big package.

And I doubt GMGM would consider that swap without something extra from the Sens, not the least of reasons being the Caps couldn't afford it.

Of course reasonable minds may disagree.

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Of course. Since none of us are privy to the exact details it's tough to say exactly how narrow that choice is, but obviously its there.


I think Murray would jump at an offer of Semin for Heatley if he got it at this point, though, unless the Rangers (or similar) are still trying to offer a big package.

And I doubt GMGM would consider that swap without something extra from the Sens, not the least of reasons being the Caps couldn't afford it.

Of course reasonable minds may disagree.
I personally don't think this trade gets made now, especially after paying the $4m, if it ever could have been made it was pre-July 1st.

The other key thing: Washington is an Eastern Conference team.

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No to both.

No to Russians, in general; and the first deal makes me lol.
semin alone is better than heatley

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Pittsburgh fans don't like this because it would mean there's another team with two superstars.

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we really dont want a defenceman unless it's a young one with loads of potential. That's why Smid was in the edmonton deal. Otherwise, we already have 7 NHL d-men as it is. If you're looking for someone comparable to smid on your roster, that would probably be Jurcina, but Jurcina is UFA in one year while smid still has like 4 years.

To free up the cap room for heatley, i would suggest
Semin, Clark, and Jurcina
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Heatley, Smith.

Smith would then be sent down to the minors by the caps or placed on LTIR. The point of Smith would be to recoup some of the 4M payed to Heatley.

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I think Heatley costs too much for the Caps to want him, they already have one player who has a cap hit of 9.58 mil. (Ovie- or at least I think that's his hit).

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Pittsburgh fans don't like this because it would mean there's another team with two superstars.
I guess the Caps will have to settle for Green, Backstrom and Semin along with Ovechkin.

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Why not make it a blockbuster trade

M Green, M Nylander Fleischmann and a 1st rd pick for Heatley and Volchenkov

I know Mike Green led all NHL D-Men in scoring and he is a very good player but the Caps have Alzner and Carlson not to mention Seabrook.

Carlson and Seabrook look to be offensive minded D-men
Alzner not so much.

What the Caps don't have is a D-man like Volchenkov
a skilled player with a mean-streak
a great shot blocker and a guy who likes to take the body

Bonus The Caps move Nylander in the deal as well

To be honest I don't want Heatley on the Caps but I love Volchenkov
I would love to see the Caps just trade Heatley(+)
to one of the teams on his list for 2 top 6 forwards Stoll being one of them

For the up-coming season the Caps could sign Marc Andre Bergeron to be the powerplay Q-back, he has a huge shot.
He would have to be the 6th D-man he is undersized


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Ottawa doesn't do this. They get hosed.

Carlson, Neuvirth, Fehr, 1st.
I think you severely over rate Heatley. as in a player that publicly states he doesn't want to be there.

In exchange you want one of the top goalie prospects in the AHL who just took his team to the calder cup in Neuvirth, by most accounts a stud dman who is both very young and very cheap in Carlson, a borderline bust winger in Fehr and our 1st?

The problem with your proposal is you're asking the CAPS to give up a significant future return for a guy they don't 100% need right now.

Gossermer. I have many questions about your trade proposal but what makes you think Heatley would waive his NTC twice?

Green, Carlson, Semin and Neuvirth don't get traded without a significant salary reduction on the CAPS end and a significant return on top of it.

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