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07-05-2009, 02:37 PM
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this is my first trade proposal on here, sorry if there was a similar one posted.
i still think the rangers need another top 6 wing. given that they don't really have one in the system. there is some maybes but no "that guy is a stud and will score 40 + goals" . so Heatley i think is a good fit. don't get me wrong i think Grachev with Anisimov can be a force but not next year, maybe two but more like 3 seasons from now.
NYR: Heatley (8 mil), Volchenkov(3.2) and a player they want to unload.
Ott: Rozsival(6), Girardi(1.6), the rights to Korpikoski and Zherdev and our number 1 in 2010 might have to throw in Stepan or Zaborsky
i think this trade will also help Anisimov and our young D get a chance they need. also Dubi needs to be our # 1 center(or for those north of the border centre)
with torts behind the bench the rangers will kill it with two solid scorers in Heatley and Gaborik.
let me have it!
PS i think with Gomez gone Drury will be back to old his old self especially if they get a good wing for him like Heatley.

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If the numbers end up working out, there's no opposition on my end. As much as I'd love to see Zherdev become a hit on Broadway -- he's just not a surefire thing, compared to Heatley who will easily transcend Z's numbers and give us another 1st liner which we certainly need.

For the record -- despite any character issues that've been brought up during the Heatley situation, I don't think he would be a lockerroom cancer or anything like others on this board have proposed.

I'm in complete support of Dany as a Ranger.

A Heatley-Dubie-Gabby line would be absurdly explosive and would fill the offensive void we've got going on at the moment.

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07-05-2009, 03:02 PM
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There is absolutely no way Ottawa would touch this.

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07-05-2009, 03:06 PM
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im not even gonna comment on the rest.....but theres a BIG diff between stepan and zaborsky

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07-05-2009, 03:08 PM
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NYR: Heatley (8 mil), Volchenkov(3.2) and a player they want to unload.
Ott: Rozsival(6), Girardi(1.6), the rights to Korpikoski and Zherdev and our number 1 in 2010 might have to throw in Stepan or Zaborsky
That's too much for Heatley given his situation. Ottowa has no leverage at all.

We'd be sending out 4 players with a total cap hit of about 10.5 -11 mil and getting back 2 players with a total cap hit of 10 mil. What money then do we use to replace Girardi and Korpikoski? Do you expect to have 3 rookies in the top 6 on defense?

At this point, I don't want Heatley or his contract. Let Grachev and Anisimov show what they can do. This team is more than good enough right now to compete for the playoffs. If we need to add anything, we can do it during the season.

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That's too much for Heatley given his situation. Ottowa has no leverage at all.

We'd be sending out 4 players with a total cap hit of about 10.5 -11 mil and getting back 2 players with a total cap hit of 10 mil. What money then do we use to replace Girardi and Korpikoski? Do you expect to have 3 rookies in the top 6 on defense?

At this point, I don't want Heatley or his contract. Let Grachev and Anisimov show what they can do. This team is more than good enough right now to compete for the playoffs. If we need to add anything, we can do it during the season.
Why are people not understanding this? Ottawa has two choices...trade him, or have a very unhappy player on their hands. Murray can spew whatever crap he wants, but, he already set the market for Heatley's value. The Rangers wouldn't give the Senators what they wanted when they didn't have Gaborik in the fold...there's no reason to act desperate now. Heatley's already limited the amount of suitors, so, there's NO need to overpay right now.

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Why are people not understanding this? Ottawa has two choices...trade him, or have a very unhappy player on their hands. Murray can spew whatever crap he wants, but, he already set the market for Heatley's value. The Rangers wouldn't give the Senators what they wanted when they didn't have Gaborik in the fold...there's no reason to act desperate now. Heatley's already limited the amount of suitors, so, there's NO need to overpay right now.
I am sorry but Murray is an idiot! This is the same moron who addresses the Ottawa media after the Ray Emery fiasco when asked whether he was going to buy out Ray by saying "Well I am not going to say that I am going to buy him out I want to get something back in return!"

Ottawa has no leverage in this situation. Ownership/Management are talking a big game right now but if Heatley sticks to his guns they are going to be in a no win situation for their hockey club. The akwardness produced by the media in Ottawa alone will destroy their season.

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I think heatley on the rangers would be amazing, if people are saying the numbers work then im fine seeing Z go, he can get babied in ottawa, i love the kid but you gotta create change for the better. can someone think up our roster if this trade goes through that bmundus proposed, id like seeing what the line ups would look like.

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07-05-2009, 03:43 PM
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Volchenkov is no slouch he replaces Girardi and Rosi, sign Mara for what 1.5-2 maybe.d would look like this
Volchenkov-Reden
Stall-Mara
Gilroy-Potter or in whatever pairings make sense and i think we should have seven d dressed because Torts doesn't use 4 lines regularly, have rotating spot for any wolf pack stand outs.
Korpikoski can be replaced by Anisimov and we use Voros regularly on the 4th maybe 3rd line.
they would also dump someone on us and if so then we take away the forward prospect.
and yes i like stepan better also. if Zaborsky pans out he also has a chance of being a top 6. scratch Stepan. Byers or Campbell instead if needed.
Murry will just sit back if he doesn't get the deal he likes so you may have to give more then you want. we have a ton of centers in our system so we can spare some if need be.

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you think gilroy is ready for the big leagues??

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you think gilroy is ready for the big leagues??
Gilroy has a one way so he better be but if not we have so many D waiting for a shot give someone else a chance

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Rozsival and Zherdev for Heatley and leave it at that.

Heatley is very talented but I don't see a reason to overpay now that we have Gaborik. In any case I'd be just as inclined to send Rozsival and Zherdev for Spezza and get something you might call a legit No. 1 center.

Zaborsky by the way still has to prove he can play in the AHL. His value is really limited IMO.

As for bringing back Mara--there might be other d-men to look at as well. In some respects I'm ready to turn the corner on him.

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Gilroy has a one way so he better be but if not we have so many D waiting for a shot give someone else a chance
Gilroy can be sent to Hartford. He just gets paid is all. Hopefully he has a good showing in camp and makes the team though.

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07-05-2009, 04:07 PM
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i did the d lines so here is the forwards.
Higgins-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Heatley-Drury-Callahan
Voros-Anisimov-Avery
Brashear-Boyle-Rissmiller
scratch Byers orMoore


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Thats barely worth Volchenkov

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so he can be sent down with out going through wavers? because it is a one way deal.

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so he can be sent down with out going through wavers? because it is a one way deal.
One way only means he gets paid the same amount regardless of where he plays. Since he has no NHL experience he can be called up or sent down without having to clear waivers until he has played I think it is 60 or so games with the big club.

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Thats barely worth Volchenkov
ok cool not a rangers or sens fan, so what would you think it would take to get heatley and volchenkov to the rangers.

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One way only means he gets paid the same amount regardless of where he plays. Since he has no NHL experience he can be called up or sent down without having to clear waivers until he has played I think it is 60 or so games with the big club.
thanks for clearing that up.

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...t_camp_review/
good read about the prospect camp. i hope Dowzak is nhl ready soon. rangers need his type of play on D.

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ok cool not a rangers or sens fan, so what would you think it would take to get heatley and volchenkov to the rangers.
Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, and Zherdev for Heatley and Volch. So basically you take on 10 million for .85mil. So basically you guys don't have the assets for Heatley and Volchenkov.

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Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, and Zherdev for Heatley and Volch. So basically you take on 10 million for .85mil. So basically you guys don't have the assets for Heatley and Volchenkov.
OK that would be the most one sided trade i have seen. and your math is on meth.

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Why are people not understanding this? Ottawa has two choices...trade him, or have a very unhappy player on their hands. Murray can spew whatever crap he wants, but, he already set the market for Heatley's value. The Rangers wouldn't give the Senators what they wanted when they didn't have Gaborik in the fold...there's no reason to act desperate now. Heatley's already limited the amount of suitors, so, there's NO need to overpay right now.
Yeah. I would just wait at this point. I think Sather is going to rip Murray off and everyone here is going to be VERY Happy.

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Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, and Zherdev for Heatley and Volch. So basically you take on 10 million for .85mil. So basically you guys don't have the assets for Heatley and Volchenkov.
lmfao. Staal is criminally underrated by so many of these knobs its unreal

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The Rangers are going to have to deal with Rozsival some other way. Ottawa isn't taking him back in any sort of deal. Otherwise, everything in this thread is wishful thinking.

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