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07-05-2009, 11:40 PM
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Marc Andre Bergeron

What would it take to sign him??????

how much cash??????????????

I think that the nucks could really use him ...

he is a good pp guy who gets double digits in goals for dmen i think that he has really flown uner the radar with the beauchimins(sp?) and who not..

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I would say less than $2M. He's decent, but he's not mind-blowingly amazing or anything.

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Why do Canucks fans overrate this guy SO much? He's nothing special.

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07-05-2009, 11:46 PM
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If you pay him per good defensive play, he probably owes your club at least $200...per shift...

He shouldn't cost too much, he's nothing more than a #7 power play specialist that probably shouldn't being playing a lot 5 on 5...

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07-05-2009, 11:54 PM
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Adrian Aucoin got 2.25 on a one year. Considering Aucoin ranked second amongst Flames defensemen in TIO/G for a good Calgary team, last season, I would guess Bergeron probably shouldn't expect a better deal than Aucoin got. Bergeron doesn't seem to get nearly the kind of 5on5 or PK time that Aucoin does. Obviously Aucoin is older, but still, I don't think Bergeron stands a very good chance of getting two million or more a year. I also doubt he gets more than two years.

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2yrs, 3.5m, 1.75m/yr

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If you pay him per good defensive play, he probably owes your club at least $200...per shift...

He shouldn't cost too much, he's nothing more than a #7 power play specialist that probably shouldn't being playing a lot 5 on 5...
Is he really that bad defensively, is he basically a forward playing defense?

If you have a good Top 4 who can eat up a lot of ice time, I dont think he would be a bad option.

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Is he really that bad defensively, is he basically a forward playing defense?

If you have a good Top 4 who can eat up a lot of ice time, I dont think he would be a bad option.
In Edmonton he certainly was. He wasn't just bad, he was a complete liability. He could have improved, as I haven't seen him much since he was traded, but I don't think he could have improved enough to warrant any substantial amount of ice time at ES.

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I don't get it. His career +/- isn't terrible. Give him a chance.

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As an Islanders fan all I can say is if your backline is offesnively challenged but solid defensively he might not be a bad bottom pairing/PP specialist. In terms of his short career witht he Islanders I thought he was good when paired with Poti(who covered his mistakes well) but terrible the next season when they couldn't find that player to cover his mistakes.

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I don't get it. His career +/- isn't terrible. Give him a chance.
Because he plays bottom-pairing and PP minutes. Seriously, who in their right mind would pay $2M/yr for an UFA bottom-pairing D-man? MAB is a PP specialist (great shot)... but he's an expensive luxury.

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Is he really that bad defensively, is he basically a forward playing defense?

If you have a good Top 4 who can eat up a lot of ice time, I dont think he would be a bad option.
Here is a 3:21 long video showing all his screw ups in the first 6 games of the 2006-07 season...6 games.


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If Streit got 4 100 000$, Bergeron should at least get 2 000 000$
the guy had 42 goals 59 assists for 101 with a +47 in 69 games in the Q.
Pair up with a defensively reliable dmen and having him playing top PP minutes, Bergeron could easily get you minimum 15 goals and 30 assists.

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If Streit got 4 100 000$, Bergeron should at least get 2 000 000$
the guy had 42 goals 59 assists for 101 with a +47 in 69 games in the Q.
Pair up with a defensively reliable dmen and having him playing top PP minutes, Bergeron could easily get you minimum 15 goals and 30 assists.
Pronger made him look "average" so unless you're planning on pairing him with Lidstrom I think we've seen the best of Bergeron.

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id give him 1.9 or 2 mill

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Id have him in dallas if we cant sign zubov...1.5 m per

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I would guess 1.75M a season could land you Marc Andre.
He is a powerplay Q-Back he is undersized

You could make him your 6th D-man pair, you would him with a D-man who is solid in his own end to help cover up for Marc mistakes
1.75M for a 40 pts from the blueline sounds fair to me

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I'd sign him for no more than 1.75/year. He isn't as defensively inept as some make him out to be and can QB a team's PP. On a team like the Canucks, he`d be their 5th or 6th D-man.

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League minimum.

That guy is one of the worst defensemen in the league in the neutral zone and defensive zone.

He's also a liability at the point for turnover opportunities.

I don't get how people can want him.

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Here is a 3:21 long video showing all his screw ups in the first 6 games of the 2006-07 season...6 games.

My favorite part is that MAB was on the PK multiple times.

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I don't think Bergeron was an absolute defensive liability last year in Minnesota, he just sucked.

And in the interest of fair reporting, he has an friggin' laser of a shot. Too bad the rest of his game isn't any good.

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$1.25 million. if he gets more than 1.75 i'd be very suprised. his decision-making is flat-out awful

but crazier things have happened

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Having seen lots of Mark Streit, Adrian Aucoin, and Marc Andre Bergeron, I can tell you that they're not in the same league. When Bergeron hits the net, he's deadly. All other times, he's fatal. Streit is *far* more creative and poised offensively, and while not great defensively is not a turnover machine. Aucoin, when healthy, is only comparable to Bergeron with his shot, which Aucoin gets off too slowly. Aucoin is a decent defenseman whose play is the same in minute 2 as it is in minute 25 - that's why he's valuable.

Anyone paying over 1mil for Bergeron is making a mistake.

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Having seen lots of Mark Streit, Adrian Aucoin, and Marc Andre Bergeron, I can tell you that they're not in the same league. When Bergeron hits the net, he's deadly. All other times, he's fatal. Streit is *far* more creative and poised offensively, and while not great defensively is not a turnover machine. Aucoin, when healthy, is only comparable to Bergeron with his shot, which Aucoin gets off too slowly. Aucoin is a decent defenseman whose play is the same in minute 2 as it is in minute 25 - that's why he's valuable.

Anyone paying over 1mil for Bergeron is making a mistake.

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true.

seriously if not for his cannon he would probably be playing in the ECHL, maybe the worst in his own end in the league.

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If Streit got 4 100 000$, Bergeron should at least get 2 000 000$
I would argue that if Mark Streit makes $4.1 million that MAB should play for a ham and cheese sandwich...

He is that bad defensively, he's simply not a player that you want out there 5 on 5, it's just too risky...he does have a cannon, for sure, but he has no idea where it's going...on Edmonton, when Ryan Smyth was there and always standing in front of the net, MAB would wind up, close his eyes, and hope for the best...now replace "hope" with "hit" and "for the best" with "Ryan's Smyth chest or ankles" and you have your results...which inspired the hateful glare from Ryan Smyth back to the oblivious MAB who was busy falling down trying to turn around and play D...

When the Islanders got him (oh poor, Ryan Smyth...he cried during that interview when he was traded to the Islanders in 06-07, but it wasn't because he was leaving Edmonton, it was because he would end up on the same power play unit as Marc-Andre Bergeron again and justifiably feared for his life)...anyway, when the Isles got him, their announcers (who apparently had no idea who he was) were talking about him during one of his first games and said they saw him in practice today and he broke three different panes of glass with his shot in one practice...now, to the casual fan, that sounds: a. awesome b. "duhhh, wow, he has a hard shot "
...to a more realistic fan, that sounds like a player that can't control his shot worth a [darn] and you instantly begin to fear for your own players' lives...

He's simply not a player that I would want on any of my teams, at any level of play...I respect that some teams need a power play specialist and that's fine...but you can easily find them for close to league minimum, any GM that serves up a seven figure salary to this guy needs to be put on some sort of executive probation...

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If Streit got 4 100 000$, Bergeron should at least get 2 000 000$
the guy had 42 goals 59 assists for 101 with a +47 in 69 games in the Q.
Pair up with a defensively reliable dmen and having him playing top PP minutes, Bergeron could easily get you minimum 15 goals and 30 assists.
You are comparing Streit and Bergeron?
Bergeron got half the points so he deserves half the money? They are defensemen!! You cannot look at just offense as if that's the whole story. Streit is worth every cent he gets. He is quite sound defensively (I watched him all the time here in NY so I know) is a leader who helps everyone around him, and still puts up points. Bergeron just puts up points. And that's all right, but you can't imagine he belongs in the same category as Streit. The Canadiens made the mistake of thinking that he was just like Bergeron, but after this season they know that they underestimated the guy.

Bergeron is a good guy to have on your team if you have a very sound D who can cover for his defensive errors.

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