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07-23-2009, 11:09 AM
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Not surprised by this news but extremely disappointed. As I wrote in a previous thread, Groulx is inexperienced as a goalie coach and we all know the great success Montreal has had with inexperienced coaches. Groulx was Florida's video coach until a few seasons ago. It's questionable what impact if any he had on Anderson. I'm assuming it's 0 for Vokoun seeing as he's been in the league for so long. In any case, I believe the success of the goalies in Florida had more to do with the defensive style of game they favored than Groulx. Regardless, It seems like Martin is just hiring his protogé rather than making a decision based on a person's credentials.
This is worrying me. With all the unlove for Rollie, I would have believed that management would have signed the best candidate available. Is this the guy? Does anyone have any further insight into Groulx's credentials?

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Not surprised by this news but extremely disappointed. As I wrote in a previous thread, Groulx is inexperienced as a goalie coach and we all know the great success Montreal has had with inexperienced coaches. Groulx was Florida's video coach until a few seasons ago. It's questionable what impact if any he had on Anderson. I'm assuming it's 0 for Vokoun seeing as he's been in the league for so long. In any case, I believe the success of the goalies in Florida had more to do with the defensive style of game they favored than Groulx. Regardless, It seems like Martin is just hiring his protogé rather than making a decision based on a person's credentials.
This kind of logic is ridiculous! I think Martin knows what he is doing. I doubt a great former coach & GM would just hire some guy that isn't good for a very key job because he has worked it before.

Why don't we trust that Martin saw something in him that makes him the guy for the job. Sure he's new, but maybe after discussing with Gainey, this newer guy had some ideas that would help Price to thrive and be confident?

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This is worrying me. With all the unlove for Rollie, I would have believed that management would have signed the best candidate available. Is this the guy? Does anyone have any further insight into Groulx's credentials?
http://www.canoe.com/sports/nouvelle...07-150100.html

They talk about him in there if you can read french.

He is a specialist of the video. Did that for Martin in Ottawa and Florida. Was a goalie younger and wanted to play in the NHL. Coached goalies in the junior for more than 10 years befiore joinging Ottawa.

Martin says he establishes great relations with is goalies and did a great job with Anderson and Vokoun as evidenced by being in the top rankings in the league the past 2 years.

He will have to go to Hamilton every month to work with the goalies there also.

He will not only be the goalie coach but will also watch the games form above and come down between periods for his input. He will also work with the injured players to handle their conditionning programs.

Sounds like a good addition. He did turn Anderson into a great goalie in Florida.

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Hopefully Price & Halak listen to him and become the goalers we know they can be!

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http://www.canoe.com/sports/nouvelle...07-150100.html

They talk about him in there if you can read french.

He is a specialist of the video. Did that for Martin in Ottawa and Florida. Was a goalie younger and wanted to play in the NHL. Coached goalies in the junior for more than 10 years befiore joinging Ottawa.

Martin says he establishes great relations with is goalies and did a great job with Anderson and Vokoun as evidenced by being in the top rankings in the league the past 2 years.

He will have to go to Hamilton every month to work with the goalies there also.

He will not only be the goalie coach but will also watch the games form above and come down between periods for his input. He will also work with the injured players to handle their conditionning programs.

Sounds like a good addition. He did turn Anderson into a great goalie in Florida.
Hamilton = Sanford and Dejardins for now. I wonder if he'll be giving any input to Missiaen or Simila.

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Hamilton = Sanford and Dejardins for now. I wonder if he'll be giving any input to Missiaen or Simila.
Maybe, since they both will be in Ontario next year?

Groulx was at the rookie camp, so he as already started to give them some input.

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Remember - Missiaen was taken in the 4th round last year, Dustin Tokarski was taken 6 spots later in the 5th round by TB. TT BG

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Remember - Missiaen was taken in the 4th round last year, Dustin Tokarski was taken 6 spots later in the 5th round by TB. TT BG
Mike Murphy was taken after Missiaen too and he was OHL goalie of the year I believe this past year.

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Remember - Missiaen was taken in the 4th round last year, Dustin Tokarski was taken 6 spots later in the 5th round by TB. TT BG
Justin Pogge was the MVP of the U20 and won't most likely become a starter in the NHL. Tokarski is a good junior player, but we'll have to see what he can do in the pros...

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i would have prefered Marcoux but groulx know Martin so no surprised there
As would I, I had him for a couple of training sessions last summer before my hockey season got under way. Marcoux is a great instructor and really knows what he is talking about. But seeing as though Groulx worked with Florida last season, having two great goalies Anderson and Vokun, I am satisfied with Groulx.

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http://www.canoe.com/sports/nouvelle...07-150100.html

They talk about him in there if you can read french.

He is a specialist of the video. Did that for Martin in Ottawa and Florida. Was a goalie younger and wanted to play in the NHL. Coached goalies in the junior for more than 10 years befiore joinging Ottawa.

Martin says he establishes great relations with is goalies and did a great job with Anderson and Vokoun as evidenced by being in the top rankings in the league the past 2 years.

He will have to go to Hamilton every month to work with the goalies there also.

He will not only be the goalie coach but will also watch the games form above and come down between periods for his input. He will also work with the injured players to handle their conditionning programs.

Sounds like a good addition. He did turn Anderson into a great goalie in Florida.
Based off of the info provided in this write-up, I really like the way that he will be working with the organization and our goalies. I was curious if anyone knows what kind of role Rollie had with the Habs. Did he do all of these kinds of things as well?

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Justin Pogge was the MVP of the U20 and won't most likely become a starter in the NHL. Tokarski is a good junior player, but we'll have to see what he can do in the pros...
And Tokarski sucked at the WJC. I almost had a heart attack each time a shot was taken.

Not that it matters. For goaltenders, success or lack of success in the juniors doesn't mean a whole lot. They are much more affected by the quality of their team than players of any other position.

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I thought he was hired a long time ago??? This is a twitter from Marc Antoine Godin (La Presse) on July 6th,

"Pierre Groulx, new Habs' goalies coach, says he won't try to change Carey Price hybrid style, won't force him into a butterfly technique.
2:58 PM Jul 6th from web"

I was VERY happy when I read that.

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I thought he was hired a long time ago??? This is a twitter from Marc Antoine Godin (La Presse) on July 6th,

"Pierre Groulx, new Habs' goalies coach, says he won't try to change Carey Price hybrid style, won't force him into a butterfly technique.
2:58 PM Jul 6th from web"

I was VERY happy when I read that.
i was under the impression that this had already happened as well. Made this feel all very twilight-zone-ish.

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I thought he was hired a long time ago??? This is a twitter from Marc Antoine Godin (La Presse) on July 6th,

"Pierre Groulx, new Habs' goalies coach, says he won't try to change Carey Price hybrid style, won't force him into a butterfly technique.
2:58 PM Jul 6th from web"

I was VERY happy when I read that.
+1

Really happy too, Price was lost without his natural style...

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I thought he was hired a long time ago??? This is a twitter from Marc Antoine Godin (La Presse) on July 6th,

"Pierre Groulx, new Habs' goalies coach, says he won't try to change Carey Price hybrid style, won't force him into a butterfly technique.
2:58 PM Jul 6th from web"

I was VERY happy when I read that.
The original post of this thread was on 07/06.

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I thought he was hired a long time ago??? This is a twitter from Marc Antoine Godin (La Presse) on July 6th,

"Pierre Groulx, new Habs' goalies coach, says he won't try to change Carey Price hybrid style, won't force him into a butterfly technique.
2:58 PM Jul 6th from web"

I was VERY happy when I read that.
There is a God after all!

Funny that some of us (who don't know what we're talking about I was told then) were saying the exact same thing 6 months ago!

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The original post of this thread was on 07/06.
Ohhhhhh.......haha. My bad. Never even thought about looking at that.

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My first choice would have been Allaire. If we talk about experience, he certainly has it.

Unless Price improves dramatically and comes out of this better than he was in his rookie year, we will be able to blame Gainey/Martin for not hiring Allaire.
With this defense, we should see Price improve to at least his rookie year level.
How did we miss Allaire ?

May be Gainey was too busy because of all the UFA is was dealing with.
Also, did Allaire called Gainey?

We must also give Groulx his chances. He was a video coach so he may have been promotted to Goal coach because he was doing such a good job looking at the small camera in the net and identifying problems.
Anyway, with the Price last season, Melanson was bound to go out especially when a big clean-up is being done.

Good luck Pierre anyway.
I'm assuming that you're talking about François Allaire here. If you look at the goaltenders he's worked with, most of them (if not all of them) seem to be butterfly goalies. If we were to get another butterfly goalie, I'd rather we'd have kept Melanson but since the coaching style (not the quality of the coach) was the problem by trying to change Price's style, hiring Allaire would have been all for nothing.

Gainey went and got a goalie coach, by his own admission, who will work with Carey Price's hybrid style and that's the quality of a quality GM. He recognized the problem and didn't make the same mistake twice.

Now here's hoping that Groulx can work well with Price and bring him back to his old form, his old style that saw him have success at every level that he's played in the past.

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