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07-06-2009, 03:33 PM
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Ya but we don't need bi monthly productive players. I just want him to show his talent constantly
So putting him with 2 production black holes was the best way to do it?

I'd rather let the guy with the talent develop and turn into a key player than let guys with much less talent play their hearts out yet fail to produce consistently.


He's one of the more proven ES players on the team, with size and hitting ability to boot. He's also got what most players that will feature in our top 6 have : speed.

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07-06-2009, 03:33 PM
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Patches - Gom - Gionta
Cammy - Plek - Akost
Lats - Laps - Dags
Stews - Metro - Raque

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Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Andrei
Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Ago
Stewart - Chipchura - BGL


seems to be the consensus

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No ********** way Lats deserves 1st or 2nd line. Maybe if he'd learn to skate.
why?

he did alright and I'm pretty sure offensive time would be what doctor ordered for his progression

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07-06-2009, 03:35 PM
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I would think Gomez and Cammalleri would be on the same line, considering the major factor for him signing to Montreal was to play with Gomez, lol.
I would think Gomez and Gionta would be on the same line, considering the major factor for him signing to Montreal was to play with Gomez, lol.

That makes it Cammy - Gomez - Gionta..

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Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Andrei
Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Ago
Stewart - Chipchura - BGL


seems to be the consensus
Hard to believe your $6M, 39 goal, 82 point winger is relegated to the second line with Plek.

To me, he's the only sure fire top line player we have. And he needs a good play making center. Just like Gomez needs an elite scoring winger.

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07-06-2009, 03:37 PM
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Hard to believe your $6M, 39 goal, 82 point winger is relegated to the second line with Plek.

To me, he's the only sure fire top line player we have. And he needs a good play making center. Just like Gomez needs an elite scoring winger.
Everyone forgets how good Plekanec could be. Who cares about the lines anyway it's only paper. Remember how our 3rd line was our best line at some point last season?

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07-06-2009, 03:38 PM
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I would think Gomez and Gionta would be on the same line, considering the major factor for him signing to Montreal was to play with Gomez, lol.

That makes it Cammy - Gomez - Gionta..
Maybe. But Gionta is a hard working pro. He could add alot of maturity to a line with Plek and MaxPac or S Kost.

If Gionta sees A Kost has a better option at RW on the top line, you can bet you'll never hear him complain.

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Pleks is our 1st line centre now? I wasn't aware he even deserved the 2nd line centre position.

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07-06-2009, 03:38 PM
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No ********** way Lats deserves 1st or 2nd line.
Deserves has nothing to do with it. It's about which combinations Martin believes will give the team the best chance of winning.

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Maybe if he'd learn to skate.
I take it you missed the 08-09 season?

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07-06-2009, 03:39 PM
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Everyone forgets how good Plekanec could be. Who cares about the lines anyway it's only paper. Remember how our 3rd line was our best line at some point last season?
Maybe so. I just think alot of people underrate Camm. He's really by far our best forward.

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Okay. Plek is not the first line center. Gomez is. Nothing Pleks can do can change that. IMO.

Camm-Gomez-A Kost (is almost 210lbs. he's rugged enough)
MaxPac-Plek-Gionta
S Kost-Laps-Lats
Stewart-Metro-Laraque/D'Ago

Markov-Gorges
Hamrlik-Spacek
Gill - O'Byrne/Webber

Price
Halak
I dont see the sense of breaking up a proven duo in gionta/gomez.... these guys had 89 and 84 points respectively playing with each other. You start with this duo and add to it. In New Jersey, it was patrick elias that completed this line, so it doesnt even have to be a rugged guy, although I think pacioretty would look good.

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BAD LINE-UP!!! Go wtih..

Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Cammy-Plekanec-AKost

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Deserves has nothing to do with it. It's about which combinations Martin believes will give the team the best chance of winning.
That's crazy talk. That sounds like rational hockey talk.

I thought lines where determined by who is a fans favorite and good will and not on hockey ability.

Like we owe Kovalev and we owe Koivu top line spots.

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07-06-2009, 03:40 PM
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why?

he did alright and I'm pretty sure offensive time would be what doctor ordered for his progression
GP G A P +/-
2006-2007 Canadiens 80 16 13 29 -20
2007-2008 Canadiens 73 16 11 27 -2
2008-2009 Canadiens 56 14 12 26 4

Tell me thats a 1st liner...

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BAD LINE-UP!!! Go wtih..

Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
Cammy-Plekanec-AKost
where will d'agostini play in all you people's lines? if anything patches should spend the year in the ahl, not get rushed, and put d'agostini in his spot.....but that's just me

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Maybe so. I just think alot of people underrate Camm. He's really by far our best forward.
I agree but the problem is, with what Martin said, you can't have a Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta line and everyone wants to keep the Gomez-Gionta chemistry, + they say Gomez is clearly the 1st center, so that puts Cammy on the 2nd line. The only way he plays with Gomez basically is if we say **** the chemistry between Gomez and Gionta.

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I take it you missed the 08-09 season?
Ok, hes better than 07-08... he's now faster than Big George

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I agree but the problem is, with what Martin said, you can't have a Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta line and everyone wants to keep the Gomez-Gionta chemistry, + they say Gomez is clearly the 1st center, so that puts Cammy on the 2nd line. The only way he plays with Gomez basically is if we say **** the chemistry between Gomez and Gionta.
Or on the PP.

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I dont see the sense of breaking up a proven duo in gionta/gomez.... these guys had 89 and 84 points respectively playing with each other. You start with this duo and add to it. In New Jersey, it was patrick elias that completed this line, so it doesnt even have to be a rugged guy, although I think pacioretty would look good.
True there is chemistry there. But really that was a one hit wonder year. Gionta shoots only 8% the last two years. A Kost is 16.7%, 13.6% the last two years.

I consider Camm as having near elite level scoring ability. And Gomez has have near elite level passing / playmaking. Not sure Gionta has a high even skill level to compliment that.

To me, Camm-Gomez compliment each other perfectly.

A Kost is a much better finisher than Gionta. It would be hard to resist unleashing A Kost onto that line.

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GP G A P +/-
2006-2007 Canadiens 80 16 13 29 -20
2007-2008 Canadiens 73 16 11 27 -2
2008-2009 Canadiens 56 14 12 26 4

Tell me thats a 1st liner...
Lapierre and Kosto are sure offensive dynamos

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GP G A P +/-
2006-2007 Canadiens 80 16 13 29 -20
2007-2008 Canadiens 73 16 11 27 -2
2008-2009 Canadiens 56 14 12 26 4

Tell me thats a 1st liner...
It is if you employ four fourth lines.

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i know this is irrelevant but we have gone from a team of k's (koivu,

kovalev, kostitsyn, kostitsyn, kostopolous, komisarek) to a team of g's

(gionta, gomez, gorges, gill)

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Wait, you mean being second in goals for our team?

What have Fatty and Dagger done lately?

Hell Gionta hasn't scored more goals than AK since 06-07.

P.S. You do realise he was top 15, if not top 10, in scoring (not just goals) league-wide when he was paired with Lang? That meaning a whole month.

If it's fair for him to get 3rd line quality players and ice-time to work with, then it's true that we, for the most part, have only 4th line players.
Dagger and Latendresse were pretty equal (considering linemates, etc) to Andrei last season. There is absolutely zero chance to argue that. D'Agostini was stuck playing with grinders, while Latendresse was paired up for a good chunk with a centre with very little vision (Lapierre). I'm not saying they are better than Andrei, but it they were pretty equal in terms of production. Anyway we shake the stick, Andrei (and Sergei and Plekanec and most of the team) sucked last season after a decent start.

Just some stats to prove my point;

Andrei Kostitsyn was on pace for 45 points over the course of a full 82-game schedule. He scored a PP goal once every 48 minutes of ice-time, while scoring a goal (of any sort) once every 50 minutes ice-time. Was on pace for 26 goals.

Guilliaume Latendresse was on pace for 38 points over the course of a full 82-game schedule. He scored a PP goal once every 85 minutes of ice-time, while scoring a goal (of any sort) once every 54 minutes ice-time. Was on pace for 21 goals.

Matt D'Agostini was on pace for 33 points over the course of a full 82-game schedule. He scored a PP goal once every 36 minutes of ice-time, while scoring a goal (of any sort) once every 59 minutes ice-time. Was on pace for 19 goals.

For a rookie, I don't think we could of asked for much more from our 4th round selection. Latendresse progressed nicely last year in no specific category, but his entire game.

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i know this is irrelevant but we have gone from a team of k's (koivu,

kovalev, kostitsyn, kostitsyn, kostopolous, komisarek) to a team of g's

(gionta, gomez, gorges, gill)
If by k's you mean floaters and g's you mean hard working well rounded players, then you sir are correct.

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