too bad its against the CBA that you cant give players other then rookies and over 35 year old players incentive laden contracts. the only other way to do that is if the player is injured for the majority of the previous season.
quick, someone go break zherdevs legs...
Yeah, but they should consider putting in an "Enigma" clause.
To be fair, the article does say they've been trying to contact Zherdev's agents for months now.
I don't have the answer, but this is also my line of thinking. On one of the worst offensive teams with an absolute joke of a PP and Nik was still able to get within 3 points of his career high.
If opposing 1st pairing d-men are now charged with covering Gaborik's line, perhaps Nik's able to find a little more space and time and put himself in the 70 point neighborhood.
that right there is reason enough to give it a shot
i'd love a two year or three year deal for him around 3.25 - 3.5
we have no reason not to assume he won't be in the top 3 in points on this team agin this year
I don't think he'll get more than 4 mil anyway, but I have 1 Question. If Zherdev walks, who do we get right now to replace his 60 points and put on one of the top two lines?
it says that The Post has tried to contact his agent about whats going on. its understandable why his agent doesnt answer, why would he want to talk to Larry Brooks?
He wouldn't. I'm only answering the claim that the article is devoid of facts and details, as if they were omitted for the purpose of shoring up LB's position.
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the moment zherdev is cut loose, we will use his 3.5 and sign an impact player under 30 who can provide both support for gaborik and replace the points that zherdev potentially could have scored.
If the Rangers and more importantly Tortorella believe they can't change that... then its the right decision to walk away. But unless the Rangers have a plan to replace his production, get ready for another year at the bottom of the league in scoring.
The Rangers as currently constructed are in the 235 range IMHO. Last year they scored 200. Minus Zherdev they are somewhere in the 210 range, not much of an improvement, and Zherdevs creativity would be missed.
I've been saying it all along. If the Rangers have aspirations of trading for Richards, or bringing another big contract in here, despite trading Rozy's salary away - one of the 4 RFA's would have to go - likely Zherdev because he would command so much. Now that hes taking the Rangers to arbitration, its even less of a chance they can fit in both.
I guess if the Rangers have a beat on a legit #1 center at the expense of Zherdevs cap hit - they'll have to live with it. If its the right player then no problem. But your losing a decent defensmen in the process, and he wil have to be replaced with NHL talent IMO.
Any way you cut it, there will be holes in this team again.
The first part I don't get. If you lose Zherdev there's going to be a new player inserted to take his spot. I'm guessing that guy gets us most of the missing points back. Maybe not all of it...but certainly you can't subtract 25 goals.
And regarding the point about holes in the team...there will still be big holes even if Zherdev is re-signed. We don't have a #1 center, a #1 LW, or a physical dman. Zherdev coming or going doesn't really change any of those.
You know Niko gave NY exactly the same he gave Columbus. Flashes of brilliance and long stretches of ineffective hockey when the games matter most.
He seems easily defended against as the season wears on. The moves are too predictable and he's easily pushed to the periphery where hes less dangerous.
He's a very good complimentary player on the right team. Rangers need someone more consistent in that spot imo.
Is this the year he figures it out?
That's probably been the question asked his whole career.
Negotiations never went smoothly between Zherdev's camp and xGMDM in Columbus. I went rooting around and found this thread: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=276234 concerning last time around. The actual signing occurs somewhere around page 83. Zherdev missed all of camp and the first couple of regular season games.
I don't see this time around working any better considering the fact that he still has the same agent.
Paying Drury $7m and Redden $6m, but Zherdev, who still has the potential to be a 100 pt player, isn't worth $3.5?
No need to compound mistakes with another one. Zherdev can't be relied upon to provide more than inconsistent secondary scoring. He might have a big season or two in his future but the Rangers aren't in a position to waste money on a prayer. They'd be smarter to use the money Zherdev would cost to fill other holes (one of which should be an offensive Dman who can man the PP point!).
the moment zherdev is cut loose, we will use his 3.5 and sign a player who won't really make that much of a difference, has less potential, has never reached Nik's season numbers (or at least not recently), will eventually block spots for the youth of the organization and will ultimately be chastised on this board for under performing.
bank on it.
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Brooks is a fool..............their is no chance in hell they walk away if he makes a penny over
Depends on the market for Zherdev. If the Rangers think they can trade him if he is awarded a contract over a certain threshold, then they'll accept it and attempt to move him, but if the market isn't there, they may just wash their hands of the situation. You have to remember a few things...
1. He ended the season on a pretty dreadful note. Being completely useless for an entire playoff series didn't impress anyone. It's one thing to be young and make insignificant money and be useless, but when you're taking home $4M, you start carrying a heavier responsibility.
2. He doesn't play Tortorella's style of hockey
3. We're up against the cap as it is. I don't think the Rangers are eager to pay $500K - $1M more than they think is fair. That's a big deal to a team that's going to have a hard time fitting an active roster of 22 or 23 players under the cap.
He wouldn't. I'm only answering the claim that the article is devoid of facts and details, as if they were omitted for the purpose of shoring up LB's position.
care to throw out come possibilites?
zherdev is not resigned.
patrick marleau is. hes the #1 centerman to play with gaby. hes a lefty shot. hes 29. hes got good size and great wheels. hes the guy we need. and he can replace the points that zherdev would have and then some.
slats knows he needs a top pivot to play with gaby. aquiring one allows other roster moves to occur which strengthens our top 6.
that move allows either dru or dubi to play wing. i prefer dubinski at wing and if im not mistaken, last year torts was quoted as saying he sees dubis future on the edge as well.
I don't see this time around working any better considering the fact that he still has the same agent.
Did anyone ever see his agent?? I saw him with Nik when i met him and Dubi at MSG during preseason. The guy is a weird looking 4'11'' guy. Very strange.
The kid is going to get 3.5mil and deserves it. We need his offense.. even though it "lacked" at the end of the season (for whatever reason..getting benched, playing with the 3rd line).
We don't "balk" and walk away from him. We need his offense and believe he can still flourish.
2nd IN GOALS
2nd IN ASSISTS
TIED for 1st IN POINTS
CMONNN!!!!!
AND PS... ANTROPOV WAS "SEEKING" 5.5mil
WHAT A PLAYER IS "SEEKING" AND GETTING IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
Using your logic, we should have kept Gomez:
1st IN ASSISTS
TIED for 1st IN POINTS
1st IN PO POINTS
1st IN PO ASSISTS
TIED for 1st in PO GOALS
If the cap is coming down next year, they can't afford another bad contract.
I'd love to keep Zherdev, but lets face it, the Redden and Drury contracts really throw a wrench in any plans to keep him for anything over $3.5 million.
Remember, Staal and Girardi need to be resigned after this season.
You just can't really get a cheaper 60 point, second line player. I don't see why people don't get this. The Rangers don't have any right wings in the system or ready anytime soon to fill out that right side. They're not going to get a cheaper on in free agency.
If the cap is coming down and the Rangers can't find a way to afford a second line player for around or under $4 mill, then there's going to be lots of problems in general.
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the moment zherdev is cut loose, we will use his 3.5 and sign an impact player under 30 who can provide both support for gaborik and replace the points that zherdev potentially could have scored.
who? you can't just say that and not have some kind of actual player in mind or plan in mind. Who's this under 30 impact player that will sign with the Rangers for $3.5 mill and provide as many points as Zherdev?
maybe you mean trade? Which is always possible, but why is a team going to trade a young impact player who's cheap.
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I don't see this time around working any better considering the fact that he still has the same agent.
He went to arbitration. He can't skip camp or hold out unless he wants to basically just ignore the fact that he has a contract, and no one looks very kindly on that. Plus he's the one that elected for arbitration. He'll do whatever the arbitrator tells him
Depends on the market for Zherdev. If the Rangers think they can trade him if he is awarded a contract over a certain threshold, then they'll accept it and attempt to move him, but if the market isn't there, they may just wash their hands of the situation. You have to remember a few things...
1. He ended the season on a pretty dreadful note. Being completely useless for an entire playoff series didn't impress anyone. It's one thing to be young and make insignificant money and be useless, but when you're taking home $4M, you start carrying a heavier responsibility.
2. He doesn't play Tortorella's style of hockey
3. We're up against the cap as it is. I don't think the Rangers are eager to pay $500K - $1M more than they think is fair. That's a big deal to a team that's going to have a hard time fitting an active roster of 22 or 23 players under the cap.
I understand but
1) he still was the leading point getter since you can't count Antropov
2) he is still young and this team needs offense
I will be shocked if he does'nt come back and I don't think he will get 4.5 anyways.................it will be 3.25 since both sides have valid arguements
I don't think they want him. For that matter, I don't think any of the 28 other teams wants him. If there was a good deal on the table he would have been traded.
If you think about it, Tyutin was a surprisingly small price to pay in our eyes, right? A year later, and problems exposed to another fanbase and market, his value has most likely gone down a little.
This is an interesting case, his indifference almost makes you wanna cut the ties immediately and move on. But there's always that glimmer of hope. He has consistently put up 60 ish points a year. Add that to the fact that we have a star in front of him demanding all the attention he received, makes it a tough decision.
Yeah but the arbiter could based on similar point production, etc.
The arbitrator cannot compare UFA to RFAs seeking arbitration. They can only look at the RFAs performance as it helps/hurts the team, and to other RFAs.
Negotiations never went smoothly between Zherdev's camp and xGMDM in Columbus. I went rooting around and found this thread: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=276234 concerning last time around. The actual signing occurs somewhere around page 83. Zherdev missed all of camp and the first couple of regular season games.
I don't see this time around working any better considering the fact that he still has the same agent.
I think if the Arbitrator rules in favor of Zherdev and presents a number that is not to the Rangers liking, Sather will let him walk and try the open market.
I'm really torn on this. After having such an abysmal offense for the last two years, how can we let a relatively consistent 60 point scorer walk? I say relatively consistent meaning total points scored, not the manner in which he acquires them.
On the other hand, does freeing up his money allow Sather to bring in a legitimate 1st line forward? Whether thats a LW or a C remains to be seen, but is a 2nd line of Higgins - Drury/Dubi - Callahan really that much worse than Higgins - Drury/Dubi - Zherdev?
The one thing you can't use is the fact we gave up Tyutin in the deal for Zherdev. Think of it like poker: Once your chips are in the pot, they're not yours anymore. If you keep playing a crap hand trying to defend the chips you put in, you're going to bust.
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ha. funny.
not correct, but funny.
we need a #1 centerman. period.
we have an elite sniper now. he needs a guy who can play with/skate/keep up/anticipate/create space for and generally play along side him.
pretty sure thats not chris drury. nor dubi who would be that top 6 winger with size we would like to find.....
no, we need a centerman who can play with gaby and give us a #1 line that other teams fear.
we have NO ONE in this organization who can fill that spot now or in the near future, save dubi- whom should be on the edge anyway- so who is this youth you refer to? "block spots for youth".
arty will play 3rd line centerman this year. perhaps hes a #2 guy in a few years.
stepan is 2 yrs away atleast and possibly our #1 guy but thats a ways out.
drury has a few years left and hes a 2 anyway.
dubi should be playing on the wing but hes not a true #1 guy.
patrick marleau is. hes the #1 centerman to play with gaby. hes a lefty shot. hes 29. hes got good size and great wheels. hes the guy we need. and he can replace the points that zherdev would have and then some.
slats knows he needs a top pivot to play with gaby. aquiring one allows other roster moves to occur which strengthens our top 6.
that move allows either dru or dubi to play wing. i prefer dubinski at wing and if im not mistaken, last year torts was quoted as saying he sees dubis future on the edge as well.
i really think we could go to war with this lineup.
Id really love to know how you're going to construct that lineup without giving up someone you have plugged into it to acquire Marleau (this is assuming we let Z walk).
I agree with Levitate. What 60 point player at age 24 will be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than zherdev? And moreso, where will we get this player? There are no free agents left at this age and point total, and contrary to what many people on this board speculate, it's not that easy to trade for a young 60 point guy without sending decent young players back the other way. For people who think you will get a young impact player without sending young guys back the other way, you're living in fantasy land.
