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03-29-2004, 06:43 PM
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How do tiebreakers work?

how do they work, also the only team i see us leap frogging is st.louis, we have to win tomorrow and detroit will beat st.louis.

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how do they work, also the only team i see us leap frogging is st.louis, we have to win tomorrow and detroit will beat st.louis.
NHL Tiebreaker formula

1) # wins
2) # points in head to head matchups
3) goal differential (i.e., the team with the greater positive differential between goals scored and goals against)

In other words, we can't rely on the tiebreaker to get in. We need to win outright.

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NHL Tiebreaker formula

1) # wins
2) # points in head to head matchups
3) goal differential (i.e., the team with the greater positive differential between goals scored and goals against)

In other words, we can't rely on the tiebreaker to get in. We need to win outright.
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All Three can still end up with 93 Points

Edm wins in ot against StL, wins last 2= 93 points with 38 wins
Stl loses in OT to Edm and Nas, wins other 2= 93 points with 39 wins
Nas wins there last 4= 93 points with 39 wins.

The Oil can still win out and miss the playoff, of course there would have to be some devine intervetion for this scernio to happen and if there are no 3 point games the Oil should be O.K. I can not see Sutter letting Chicago lose 4 straight, and Det or Col should be looking at these games as important games to get ready for the PLAYOFFS.

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Edm wins in ot against StL, wins last 2= 93 points with 38 wins
Stl loses in OT to Edm and Nas, wins other 2= 93 points with 39 wins
Nas wins there last 4= 93 points with 39 wins.

The Oil can still win out and miss the playoff, of course there would have to be some devine intervetion for this scernio to happen and if there are no 3 point games the Oil should be O.K. I can not see Sutter letting Chicago lose 4 straight, and Det or Col should be looking at these games as important games to get ready for the PLAYOFFS.
or worst that Col and Det rest their best players

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The Oil can still win out and miss the playoff
Technically speaking though, the Oiler's still have their own destiny in their hands, because if they win their last three in regulation they will get in.

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03-29-2004, 08:47 PM
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or worst that Col and Det rest their best players
I think that's unlikely. They might rest one or two players (and even that might not happen), but if they rest more than that the league will be pissed. The fact is though, you don't want to have your best players going into the playoffs cold. That would be asking for a first round upset. Don't forget that both Detroit and Colorado were knocked out in the first round last year. They will want to make sure their playoff machine is up and running before the big games start.

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The Oil can still win out and miss the playoff, of course there would have to be some devine intervetion for this scernio to happen and if there are no 3 point games the Oil should be O.K. I can not see Sutter letting Chicago lose 4 straight, and Det or Col should be looking at these games as important games to get ready for the PLAYOFFS.
That is incorrect.. Nashville plays St. Louis and thus if the Oilers win all three remaining games they are in.

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That is incorrect.. Nashville plays St. Louis and thus if the Oilers win all three remaining games they are in.
No, that's not right.

Oilers (87 pts.) - 3 games left : MAX of 6 points = 93 points (38 wins)

Nashville (85 pts.) - 4 games left : MAX of 8 points = 93 points (39 wins)

Blues (87 pts.) - 4 games left & counting a loss to Nashville : MAX of 6 points = 93 points (40 wins)

If the Oilers win out, they can still miss the playoffs...

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yeah but the Blues are going to beat Nashville

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No, that's not right.

Oilers (87 pts.) - 3 games left : MAX of 6 points = 93 points (38 wins)

Nashville (85 pts.) - 4 games left : MAX of 8 points = 93 points (39 wins)

Blues (87 pts.) - 4 games left & counting a loss to Nashville : MAX of 6 points = 93 points (40 wins)

If the Oilers win out, they can still miss the playoffs...
Nope, that is correct.. the Blues also play the Oilers so a loss to Edmonton and Nashville means they have a maximum of 4 points.

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Nope, that is correct.. the Blues also play the Oilers so a loss to Edmonton and Nashville means they have a maximum of 4 points.
Unless they are OT losses.

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Unless they are OT losses.
I'm pretty sure that if Edmonton wins the rest of their games in regulation they are guaranteed a playoff spot.. however, a win against St. Louis in OT would definitely change that.

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No, that's not right.

Oilers (87 pts.) - 3 games left : MAX of 6 points = 93 points (38 wins)

Nashville (85 pts.) - 4 games left : MAX of 8 points = 93 points (39 wins)

Blues (87 pts.) - 4 games left & counting a loss to Nashville : MAX of 6 points = 93 points (40 wins)

If the Oilers win out, they can still miss the playoffs...
No, that's not right.

If the Oil beat StL in reg and win their other two they're in, and one of the others is out.

StL Max = 95
Minus 1 for an otl to nas, - 2 for a reg loss in Edm = 92
In this scenario Nash can finish ahead of us, but StL can't

If StL beats Nash in ot then Nash's max is 92 and we can knock them out.

This has already been established a few times.

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Nope, that is correct.. the Blues also play the Oilers so a loss to Edmonton and Nashville means they have a maximum of 4 points.
Right, forgot about that game against the Blues...

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Here's the two worst case scenarios if the Oilers win out:

1.)
Oilers: 3 games left, 6 points (93 points)
Blues: 4 games left, 6 points (93 points) - win in OT against Nashville.
Preds: 4 games left, 7 points (92 points) - loss in OT against St. Louis.

2.)
Oilers: 3 games left, 6 points (93 points)
Blues: 4 games left, 5 points (92 points) - loss in OT against Nashville.
Preds: 4 games left, 8 points (93 points) - win in OT against St. Louis.

As far as I can see, the Oilers make the playoffs if they win the rest of their games and defeat St. Louis in regulation time..

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Right, forgot about that game against the Blues...
Heh tis okay.. us Oilers fans have been carrying our calculators around for the past week so we're a lil sensitive to number goofups

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do you think the Oilers running the table is reasonable though ??
For some reason I am less confident after the last two wins then before ...

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do you think the Oilers running the table is reasonable though ??
For some reason I am less confident after the last two wins then before ...
Might that be because we're going on the road against 3 very tough teams? I don't think running the table is out of the question but it's definitely not the likely ending. I personally don't think we'll need to run the table though.. I'll stand by my previous statement that Chicago will take one from Nashville and Colorado should also give them a tough game. Couple that in with the Preds game against St. Louis and they have a fairly tough finish to the season as well.

Another thing to keep in mind is this: every team we're playing is at some sort of disadvantage. St. Louis has played a lot of hockey in the past week, Dallas is down their starting goaltender and Vancouver is down Bertuzzi/Naslund is supposedly hurt. I'm likely overly optimistic in my views but I think there is a great chance the Oilers squeak into the playoffs..

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I think there is a great chance the Oilers squeak into the playoffs..
If they get in you can hardly call it "sneaking in", more like ROARING IN!

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With 12 games left they needed to go 11-1 or 10 -0 - 2..for 92 points now they need
2- 0 - 1 .. Yeah i guess Roaring in would work

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If they get in you can hardly call it "sneaking in", more like ROARING IN!
Heh very good point!

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remember when 87 points used to get us into the playoffs?

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remember when 87 points used to get us into the playoffs?
Are you talking about in pre otl days, or more recently?

By a quick count there were 140 otl's by all 30 teams, which means that the third point was doled out 140 times. That's an average of an extra 4.67 points per team.

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