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07-08-2009, 03:16 PM
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Vancouver - Chicago

To Vancouver:
Brian Campbell D
Kris Versteeg F

To Chicago:
Shane O'brien
Michael Grabner
Vancouver's 1st round pick in 2010

I think Vancouver is the most likely destination for Campbell, if indeed the 'hawks are looking to trade him now and not next season. With the 'nucks losing Ohlund and with having to rely on Salo for a full season being foolhardy, picking up Campbell to help the offense will help (they were rumored to be first in line for Cam Barker--so apparently they were in need of help at D). Adding Versteeg helps with their forward depth. Of issue will be the cap for Vancouver. A contract might have to be added to level things out.

For Chicago, this deal solves a few needs: 1. Salary cap room and 2. a hard nosed defenseman. They could turn around and flip the pick and/or Grabner in a package to replace Campbell with Kaberle. Or, they could wait and add an offensive D at the deadline.

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I think this puts the Canucks around $7M above the cap.
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You're on drugs if you think we're taking that contract back for anything less than an overpayment on Chicago's part.

If we wanted a stupid contract we would've taken Gaborik's. Pass.

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Lol, no.

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07-08-2009, 03:18 PM
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You're on drugs if you think we're taking that contract back for anything less than an overpayment on Chicago's part.
I think a lot of people thought the same thing about Gomez. At present, Chicago's not in need to dump Campbell. It will just make things easier if they do. Vancouver, as they stand, isn't very good.

Vancouver could just as easily go after Kaberle, but this trade solves 2 problems for them: offensive D and top 9 forward.

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07-08-2009, 03:22 PM
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I think a lot of people thought the same thing about Gomez. At present, Chicago's not in need to dump Campbell. It will just make things easier if they do. Vancouver, as they stand, isn't very good.
Vancouver, 'as they stand', are the almost the exact same team that won the Northwest Division last year.

Vancouver, 'as they stand', have important contracts to re-up next year (Kesler... and um, that goof, Luongo) next year.

Vancouver, 'as they stand', have made it public that they won't be taking on bad contracts anytime soon.

Vancouver, 'as they stand', can happily poach Duncan Keith, Patrick Kane, or Jonathan Toews next year while they watch Dale Tallon squirm.

I'm pretty sure Chicago needs to dump Campbell more than Vancouver needs an albatross contract.


EDIT:

Cute little edit.

It solves one problem; we get a puck moving defender, but gain another winger that we have no need for because we're loaded at wing. We need A) A centerman B) Puckmoving defender C) Cap space next year.

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I think a lot of people thought the same thing about Gomez. At present, Chicago's not in need to dump Campbell. It will just make things easier if they do. Vancouver, as they stand, isn't very good.
you may not to need to trade him right now.....but if you don't, you are going to HAVE to trade him in a year and pay to get rid of him. The Hawks time to solve their long term cap problems is now, instead of waiting a year when they will be forced to trade players out of need, instead of maximizing their trade returns.

Thats just my opinion.

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07-08-2009, 03:24 PM
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How about

To Chicago:
Demitra

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Campbell
1st
Demitra's contract expires next year. Campbell's ridiculous contract, coupled with a weak draft pool next year make this deal less than enticing.

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07-08-2009, 03:28 PM
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I think a lot of people thought the same thing about Gomez. At present, Chicago's not in need to dump Campbell. It will just make things easier if they do. Vancouver, as they stand, isn't very good.

Vancouver could just as easily go after Kaberle, but this trade solves 2 problems for them: offensive D and top 9 forward.
first of all, there is no cap space for that deal. It just wouldn't happen because you'd have to lose a considerable amount of salary in the process, and the Canucks just don't have any bad contracts to throw away.

Secondly, Gillis has already said - many many times now - that he has no interest in signing players to big longterm deals like that... the Sedins wanted a longterm deal for 12 yrs, which Gillis said that ownership just wouldn't do - and signed them for 5yr deals at $6.1mill/yr each - which is still considerably lower than what Campbell is making.

Everything that Gillis has said so far points to him having ZERO interest in a contract like Campbell.

But again, before any of that, you need to first consider how much cap space the team currently has - the Canucks are within $3mill of the cap right now, and you're adding over $10mill to their payroll. The only way that even fits is if you drop Demitra ($4mill) and one of Mitchell (NTC), Salo (NTC) or Bieksa. And that also would mean that you've maxed out your cap space and not able to retain Kesler.

So just because of cap space, the deal would force the Canucks to lose whatever assets you have going to Chicago + Demitra + Bieksa + Kesler next year.

How much sense does that make??

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07-08-2009, 03:33 PM
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God I wish Vancouver would take on Campbell's contract.

If any team takes that contract without also getting Toews, Kane, Keith, or 3+ 1st rounders they are stupid.

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How much sense does that make??
Oh, oh, can I answer Mr. NFiTO?

Spoilers: IT DOESN'T.

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I'd love Campbell but that contract is a disaster.

Chicago is going to have a very hard time trading him this coming year.

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The only takers for Campbell would have to be the teams not at/just at the cap floor.

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you may not to need to trade him right now.....but if you don't, you are going to HAVE to trade him in a year and pay to get rid of him. The Hawks time to solve their long term cap problems is now, instead of waiting a year when they will be forced to trade players out of need, instead of maximizing their trade returns.

Thats just my opinion.
thing is if they let him go for nothing then they still need a #3 dman for this year

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07-08-2009, 04:25 PM
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I think a lot of people thought the same thing about Gomez. At present, Chicago's not in need to dump Campbell. It will just make things easier if they do. Vancouver, as they stand, isn't very good.

Vancouver could just as easily go after Kaberle, but this trade solves 2 problems for them: offensive D and top 9 forward.
We have too many top 9 forwards.

Top Six - Sedin, Sedin, Burrows, Kesler, Demitra
Top Nine - Raymond, Wellwood, Hansen, Bernier, Hodgson (maybe), Grabner (maybe), Samuelsson

And quite a few of those top 9 guys can slot into the 2nd line without any problem.

Besides this trade puts us WAY over the salary cap; we have about 3mil worth of actual space I figure and that's before signing Wellwood and were still short a 5th defenseman. This trade only hurts the Canucks.

That would mean we'd have like 26.45mil tied up in 4 players... Insane. Not gonna happen.

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Maybe while Gillis has his Gainey mask on, taking on one of the most ludicrous contracts in the NHL, he can give Chicago Vancouver's best prospects as well!

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Since Chicago going to be in salary cap hell in 2010-2011 and not going to be able to resign him anyways how about...

Duncan Keith

for

Cory Schneider
Jannik Hansen or Mayson Raymond
2010 1st

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Since Chicago going to be in salary cap hell in 2010-2011 and not going to be able to resign him anyways how about...

Duncan Keith

for

Cory Schneider
Jannik Hansen or Mayson Raymond
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Why would the Canucks do this exactly?

If the cap did work which it obviously doesn't the hawks should be the ones giving up the first round pick.

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To Vancouver:
Brian Campbell D
Kris Versteeg F

To Chicago:
Shane O'brien
Michael Grabner
Vancouver's 1st round pick in 2010

I think Vancouver is the most likely destination for Campbell, if indeed the 'hawks are looking to trade him now and not next season. With the 'nucks losing Ohlund and with having to rely on Salo for a full season being foolhardy, picking up Campbell to help the offense will help (they were rumored to be first in line for Cam Barker--so apparently they were in need of help at D). Adding Versteeg helps with their forward depth. Of issue will be the cap for Vancouver. A contract might have to be added to level things out.

For Chicago, this deal solves a few needs: 1. Salary cap room and 2. a hard nosed defenseman. They could turn around and flip the pick and/or Grabner in a package to replace Campbell with Kaberle. Or, they could wait and add an offensive D at the deadline.
Are you aware that there's a salary cap in the NHL? If not please visit www.google.com and type in "Salary cap NHL" so you don't make a proposal like this in the future.

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Since Chicago going to be in salary cap hell in 2010-2011 and not going to be able to resign him anyways how about...

Duncan Keith

for

Cory Schneider
Jannik Hansen or Mayson Raymond
2010 1st
There would have to be a lot more going Chicago's way. I mean, a LOT more.

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There would have to be a lot more going Chicago's way. I mean, a LOT more.
Maybe not a much as you'd think.

With the glaring cap issues they have, MG will be looking for a deal.

How's Chicago's goaltending depth looking? Schnieder could be very appealing to them....

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Maybe not a much as you'd think.

With the glaring cap issues they have, MG will be looking for a deal.

How's Chicago's goaltending depth looking? Schnieder could be very appealing to them....
Keith is one of the best defensemen in the league. It will take a lot. They'll trade Sharp before they trade Keith.

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Chicago is not going to trade Keith... he's their #1 guy, and one of the better dmen in the game.

Even with cap issues, they will exhaust every other option before moving Keith... and he's still a year away from RFA status, plenty of time to figure out a way to re-sign him.

Keith, Toews and Kane aren't going anywhere.

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