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SJ - Ott - Marleau and Heater

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07-09-2009, 12:46 PM
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SJ - Ott - Marleau and Heater

To Ott

Marleau

To San Jose

Heatley



San jose needs a shake up and Heatley is a proven playoff player, he also would be awesome beside thorton who is a pure playmaker while Heater is a pure sniper

I know Heatley in general is worth more than Marleau and Marleau is one year away from UFA, but i figure this is a risk Ottawa has to take since Heatley doesnt have optimum value atm, since something needs to be done, and with Kovalev on board i would love to have Marleau has his center who is a good two way presence

Maybe the Sens can agree on an extension for Marleau or something.

Foligno - Spezza - Alfie
Fisher - Marleau - Kovalev

Zubov - Regin - Shannon
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil


ex. Jwin

I would be pretty happy with that

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Sharks can't do it cap wise

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I like Michalek + Ehroff more..

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Ottawa is not trading Heatley for Marleau, even if he were signed to an extension. Fail.

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Ottawa is not trading Heatley for Marleau, even if he were signed to an extension. Fail.
uhh i think they would, Ottawa doesnt really have many options here

i doubt San Jose offers anything more cause who else is there to outbid them?

Also i think the Edm think is coming to a close

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Can't see this deal working out for cap reasons, and the returned value for Heatley is only 1 year of Marleau.

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uhh i think they would, Ottawa doesnt really have many options here

i doubt San Jose offers anything more cause who else is there to outbid them?

Also i think the Edm think is coming to a close
Ottawa would be better served to keep him... Giving up the better, younger, and signed longer player usually doesn't do much good.

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07-09-2009, 01:00 PM
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Can't see this deal working out for cap reasons, and the returned value for Heatley is only 1 year of Marleau.

Marleaus Cap = 6.3

Heatley - 7.5

San Jose has 1.3 mill in cap space (from nhlscap)


It would work

Also i stated that ottawa could work out an extension before the deal goes through

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There have been about six or seven Heatley to San Jose topics, they all came to the same conclusion, no one could agree on what is acceptable, and the Sharks can't afford Heatley's contract. Do we really need yet another one?

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The Sharks are right next to the Cap, while still having to sign quite a few players, it does not work. It wouldn't improve the Sharks now, because they would have to trade other core-players, and it doesn't help them longterm, especially with a falling cap.

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Just stop. The sharks don't want your malcontent. They have their own.

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There have been about six or seven Heatley to San Jose topics, they all came to the same conclusion, no one could agree on what is acceptable, and the Sharks can't afford Heatley's contract. Do we really need yet another one?
omg

if we take Marleau i am pretty sure they can afford it, or they just need to dumb 1.2 mill really not that hard

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The grand mojo of hfboards is going to will this to happen.

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if we take Marleau i am pretty sure they can afford it, or they just need to dumb 1.2 mill really not that hard
No, they can't. Don't you think Sharks fans have looked at the numbers time and time again?

Right now the Sharks have about a million in cap space, with five open roster spots. You add the million from Heatley and all the cap space is gone while the roster spots are still open.

It doesn't work.

Not to mention that you could completely forget about resigning certain core-players next summer. There wouldn't be enough money to replace them with UFAs, and the prospect pool is incredible thin, especially on offense. The team would be totally gutted next year, and likely worse this year as well. Heatley may be better than Marleau, but he isn't worth Marleau and another core-player, who would have to be let go to get below the cap.

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Marleaus Cap = 6.3

Heatley - 7.5

San Jose has 1.3 mill in cap space (from nhlscap)


It would work

Also i stated that ottawa could work out an extension before the deal goes through
And you do realize the Sharks still need to sign or add a handful of other players, correct? I'm sure that .1 mil in cap space left will be plenty to sign 5-6 players.

Doug Wilson has never been the type of GM to make a trade just to "shake things up" and he is not going to make trades which make his cap situation anymore difficult.

On top of that, Heatley is still a big gamble for any team. No one can deny he has a bunch of skill, but his past raises too many questions about his attitude. That is not what San Jose needs or is able to take on.

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Is it so difficult to add in a player here/there to make the cap implications work? Toss in a salary dump from SJ to Ottawa. I tend to think there is the core of a pretty reasonable deal here.

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As a Sens fan, I too don't like this trade, even with an extended Marleau. I think that desparation to move Heatley is setting in with some of the fans. There is still alot of time left to move him, if it was decided that is the best course of action for the team...

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Is it so difficult to add in a player here/there to make the cap implications work? Toss in a salary dump from SJ to Ottawa. I tend to think there is the core of a pretty reasonable deal here.
The Sharks would have to drop about 3 million if all those open roster spots would be filled with minimum salary players, which they won't. You are looking at dropping four or five million at the very least, that's not a salary dump anymore, that requires serious talent to leave. Heatley isn't worth that.

That's disregarding next season as well. Even if you can get it done for this year, if the cap drops next year, you are looking at about three or four million to resign Setoguchi, get a top 4 defenseman and resign/replace Nabokov. How is that supposed to happen?

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Marleaus Cap = 6.3

Heatley - 7.5

San Jose has 1.3 mill in cap space (from nhlscap)


It would work

Also i stated that ottawa could work out an extension before the deal goes through
Indeed, except the Sharks don't have a full roster and would have 0 cap money left.

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Is it so difficult to add in a player here/there to make the cap implications work? Toss in a salary dump from SJ to Ottawa. I tend to think there is the core of a pretty reasonable deal here.
Ottawa doesn't have a lot of cap room either. Actually, aren't they already over the cap?

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I don't think there's any chance of Heatley going to the Sharks after they signed Clowe to that ridiculous contract.


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I have a feeling he's not going to get traded.

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Ottawa doesn't have a lot of cap room either. Actually, aren't they already over the cap?
I think Ottawa has ~ under $2 million left, but that's not including a backup goalie.

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Alright, add in Erhoff or Vlassic then....and we trown in Smith, which you can waive. That open up another 3.1 million in cap space. SJ need to trade a D anyways. Sens can throw in Schubert too, who can do a serviceable job on the 4th line for very cheap. Not saying I love the deal, I'd rather Michalek over Marleau, but that's not what as discussed here.

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Ottawa doesn't have a lot of cap room either. Actually, aren't they already over the cap?
Yup, after trading Auld we are 750K over, but we still need to sign our backup.

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