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07-11-2009, 10:23 AM
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Time Money and the evolution of the roster

Yes this is a double post from NP.com

My laptop is down at Gateway, luckly it died a month before the warrenty. So, I spend way too much time thinking and looking at the current roster of the Nashville Predators and the current salary structure. I miss my laptop.....I REALLY miss my laptop.......Ok, so I miss the PORN on my laptop but let's not regress on this issue.

As the team is built right now, at about 44.3 Million dollars:

Sully-Arnott-Dumont
Erat-Legwand-Jones/Ward
Hornqvist-O'Reilly-Jones/Ward
Tootoo-Spaling/Smithson-Pihlstrom
Spaling-Belak

Weber-Suter
Hamhuis-Klein
Sulzer-Franson
Laakso

Rinne-Ellis

This team as constructed would just miss the play offs and right now is just one center short of a playoff team. When I looked over the stats of the players who still don't have contracts the name Manny Malhotra stood out. 6'1" 217 lbs, 11 goals 24 assists. I think this guys at a salary of 1.75 a year would be a perfect plug to fit into the 3rd center spot. He would be cheap and if you could get him at a 1.6 million a year salary you could keep the team salary just below 45 million, leaving 3.8 million in the proverbial piggy bank. This is the team I'd like to see in training camp, if you like you can replace Malhotra with 3rd center to be named later. Salary 45 Million:

Sully-Arnott-Dumont
Erat-Legwand-Jones/Ward
Hornqvist-Malhotra-Jones/Ward
Tootoo-O'Reilly-Pihlstrom
Smithson-Belak

This team WOULD be good enough for a 8th spot in the west and put Smithson on the bench where he deserves. The first three lines would be scoring lines and not just a bunch of parts. I know a lot of people are screaming for a 2nd line winger to be added but that's short term thinking. This team above would be good enough and with cap space much like a savings account, the money left over can buy more and more as time goes by. At the trade deadline a $6 million dollar player will lose about 2/3rd on his yearly salary simply because the other team is paying for it. That means that Nashville for them to pick up a $6 million dollar winger at the deadline would have to have $2.4 million in cap space. This is why time is on Nashville's side. If the roster can hold the course till a move is made at the deadline, you can pick up a much BIGGER player with the same amount of cash. In addition, this is not even including the money saved on a player traded for said star. To give you a hint as to the potiential playoff rentals this team could pick up, here's a quick list of who could be gotten; Kovalchuk, Ilya 7.5 million, Marleau, Patrick, 6.3 million, Kariya, Paul 6 million, Jokinen, Olli 5.5 Million, Savard, Marc 5 million. And so on. Then the roster can evolve into a playoff roster, less scoring more grinding and possibly stronger Salary: 47.5 million to potientially 48.5 million.

Sully-Arnott-Dumont
Erat-Legwand-Traded star
Jones-Wilson-Ward
Tootoo-Malhotra-Pihlstrom
Smithson-Belak

Two scoring lines, a THICK third line of size and some skill and an upgraded 4th line. This is how the evolution of the Nashville Predators should go based on a timeline:

Training camp: Sign a 3rd center, possibly find a AHL/NHL Defenseman in case Blum is not ready.
Trade Deadline: Trade for a 2nd line wing to bolster not only the 2nd line but also the 3rd. Monitor Blum, Dekanich, Pickard and Smith to see if Hamhuis and Ellis can be used as trade bait.

Looking at the roster right now this is what the tea leaves are telling me. Please be patient and see where this goes.

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Spaling and Lääkso will be in Milwaukee before we put them in the press box. We're not carrying 23 players to start the season unless we have a massive road trip to start off with. There's also no way we're signing Manny Malhotra with his salary demands, and if we did, we would never put him on the 4th line.

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Spaling and Lääkso will be in Milwaukee before we put them in the press box. We're not carrying 23 players to start the season unless we have a massive road trip to start off with. There's also no way we're signing Manny Malhotra with his salary demands, and if we did, we would never put him on the 4th line.
It's pretty unusual for a team not to carry 23 men when everyone is healthy. Then again, we are a pretty unusual team...

I agree, cat, that we need another bottom-six player. I'm sure most would cringe at that idea, but it's true. We lost Nichol, Fiddler, and Bonk. One of those needs to be replaced. We need a vet back there because fielding an all rookie lines scares the crap out of me.

I'd love Malhotra. He is perfect for this team. But if worst is right in that he is demanding a 4 year contract, then we can't do it. I'd do a 2 year deal though.

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It's pretty unusual for a team not to carry 23 men when everyone is healthy. Then again, we are a pretty unusual team...
... who try to cut costs at every corner...

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I agree, cat, that we need another bottom-six player. I'm sure most would cringe at that idea, but it's true. We lost Nichol, Fiddler, and Bonk. One of those needs to be replaced. We need a vet back there because fielding an all rookie lines scares the crap out of me.
Neck suggested that we sign Taylor Pyatt, which would put either him or Ward on the third line. We could also sign Williams and plop him on the second line, bumping Ward to the third line (or possibly vice versa). Or we could put Jones on the second line if he proves his worth out of camp, which would put Ward on the third line.

We don't necessarily need another bottom six forward. We could sign a player higher up the depth chart and force a second line player (read: Joel Ward) onto the third line.

To put this in terms of a lineup:

Sullivan-Arnott-Dumont
Williams/Pyatt/Ward-Legwand-Erat
Jones-O'Reilly-Ward/Pyatt/Williams
Pihlström-Smithson-Tootoo

It may not be a much more skilled lineup, but it *is* a deeper lineup, and it's one that I would be fairly comfortable with. Williams would especially make us a better team, IMO, and he would work well with either Legwand or O'Reilly as his center.

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Worst the most you would save is about 50,000 ($4,950 a day) because the team would tire too easily and you have to think of the 82 game marathon that is hockey. That one extra person can take minutes of the wear and tear of your players. The Preds could only do that for about 3 weeks in my mind. It's a good idea but you have to think about the long term. In my mind this team needs:

3rd line center
2nd line wing
Vet AHL/NHL defenseman

I am not at all comfortable with the depth of the center position from the 3rd line down. I'm not even sure Wilson will see more that 20 games in Nashville. Nashville employs the same system as Detroit. They hold and develop players in Milwaukee to keep egos in check. Radulov was rushed and it wasn't good. Hornqvist was rushed and it wasn't good. Jones had a couple of months in the Wild system before near full time use in Nashville. Most are screaming about short term solutions when you have to think about a long term approach.

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I am not at all comfortable with the depth of the center position from the 3rd line down.
You're less comfortable with our center depth than our winger depth? Let's say we sign Malhotra. Here are our top three center call-ups:

1. Cal O'Reilly
2. Colin Wilson
3. Nick Spaling

Now, let me show you our top three winger call-ups:

1. Hugh Jessiman
2. Ryan Maki
3. Andreas Thuresson

We have enough money to sign ONE forward, and that forward MUST be a winger. If we could sign two wingers, that would probably be even better, but we simply do not have the cash. I hate to tempt fate here, but we have enough talent up the middle that we can handle losing Legwand for five games. If we lose Erat for five games, we're completely boned.

If we signed Malhotra, our opportunity cost is our ability to resolve our long-standing issues on the wing. Our team will probably suck either way, so I would rather have O'Reilly or Wilson on the third line developing while we at least make an effort to address our biggest need, than watch Malhotra try to replace Radek Bonk.

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Agree with the above ^.

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Oh, and I also disagree that we need another "tweener" defenseman. Milwaukee is stocked as it is...

Franson/Blum-Lääkso
Matheson-Dietrich/Sinkewich
Sinkewich/Dietrich-Yonkman
Ford

... and we're not going to spend the unnecessary $750k to sign a 7th defenseman when we can put that towards a forward. We might spend the league minimum to sign Doug Janik or Rob Davison, but I'm not totally sure they're worth potentially putting the team in the red for.

However, we DO need to sign some depth forwards for the AHL. Assuming O'Reilly makes the big club and we sign another winger, the lineup for the AHL is as follows:

???-C. Wilson-Hörnqvist
???-Santorelli-Jessiman
Maki-Spaling-Thuresson
Grant/McKenzie-???-K. Wilson

My personal picks would be Krys Kolanos and Chris Minard, and let Milwaukee fill the #4 center slot. We could also move Santorelli to the wing (which I think is advisable considering his sub-par performances at center in Nashville) and sign another center (Yanick Lehoux, maybe?). Either way, the organization needs to start emphasizing forwards as the position to address at all levels as free agency progresses.


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Bonk - center
Nichol - center
Fiddler - mostly center

Appears to me that we need a center

Really though, I'm not all that worried about what position we acquire. You know Trotz likes to move people around anyway. All I know is I'd like to see a solid vet in the bottom six to cover for all the rookie mistakes we'll likely see.

Plus, Arnott and Legwand are the most injury prone players on the team, so we need insurance for when, not if, they get injured.

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Bonk - center
Nichol - center
Fiddler - mostly center

Appears to me that we need a center
It appears to me that we had a bunch of garbage at center and finally got rid of it.

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You can play a center at wing but not the other way around. I want a center because YES, this team is weak at the depth at Center and Wing. If there is a FA out there who can play both positions I want him on Nashville.

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