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Best all time "big three" defense

View Poll Results: Best big three of all time?
Robinson - Savard - Lapointe 112 55.45%
Stevens - Niedermayer - Rafalski 63 31.19%
Pronger - Niedermayer - Beauchemin 12 5.94%
Lidstrom - Rafalski - Kronwall 13 6.44%
Other (please name) 2 0.99%
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07-11-2009, 12:34 PM
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Best all time "big three" defense

Which of these "big three" defensemen were most dominant at their time?

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I voted for the threesome who helped their team win 6 Cups. It's not even close.

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The retired players always win anyway, whats the use of these polls?

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Rafalski?
Kronwall?
Beauchemin?


Are you kidding? They're all good defensemen but come on.

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The retired players always win anyway, whats the use of these polls?
We heard you the first dozen times you pasted this into a thread. Would you like to make the case that that Robinson, Savard and Lapointe are not the best option?

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You would also have to consider Doug Harvey, Butch Bouchard and Tom Johnson.

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You should just take out Robinson, Savard and Lapointe and then stick with the other 3.

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Robinson, Savard and Lapointe

Bourque, Blake and Foote should should be in the poll, too.


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The Habs trio.

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The Habs trio, without a second thought. All-time though, there are a few (not mentioned here) who could give them a run for their money.

Horton, Brewer, Stanley and Shore, Clapper, Hollett come to mind.

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Nordic never seems to amaze me.

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Which of these "big three" defensemen were most dominant at their time?
PLAYER NORRIS N FIN HART H FIN SMYTHE
Robinson 2 8 1 1
Savard 4 1
Lapointe 6
MONTREAL 2 18 0 1 2
Stevens 7 1
Niedermayer 1 4 1
Rafalski
NEW JERSEY 1 11 0 0 2
Pronger 1 6 1 1
Niedermayer 1 4 1
Beachemin
ANAHEIM 2 10 1 1 1
Lidstrom 6 10 1 1
Rafalski
Kronwall
DETROIT 6 10 0 1 1

Chart shows: Norris trophies won, year in top five in Norris voting, Hart trophies won, year in top five in Hart voting, Conn Smythes won.

Based on how the question is worded, the only reasonable answer is Robinson, Savard, Lapointe. They're the only team list where all three defensemen contended for the Norris trophy on a regular basis. Two Conn Smythes don't hurt either (NJ also has two Smythes but Niedermayer's was won while in Anaheim).


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In 1977 the Habs had 3 d-men out of 4 spots represented on the post season all star team, during one of the deepest eras ever for top flight d-men. Game, Set, Match

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6 cups, thank you.

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Nordic never seems to amaze me.
The word you were probably looking for is "ceases", but it actually came out pretty funny anyways .

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Nordic never seems to amaze me.
Hehe...I'm sorry to hear that, I'll try a little harder in the future - just for you!

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PLAYER NORRIS N FIN HART H FIN SMYTHE
Robinson 2 8 1 1
Savard 4 1
Lapointe 6
MONTREAL 2 18 0 1 2
Stevens 7 1
Niedermayer 1 4 1
Rafalski
NEW JERSEY 1 11 0 0 2
Pronger 1 6 1 1
Niedermayer 1 4 1
Beachemin
ANAHEIM 2 10 1 1 1
Lidstrom 6 10 1
Rafalski
Kronwall
DETROIT 6 10 0 1 0

Chart shows: Norris trophies won, year in top five in Norris voting, Hart trophies won, year in top five in Hart voting, Conn Smythes won.

Based on how the question is worded, the only reasonable answer is Robinson, Savard, Lapointe. They're the only team list where all three defensemen contended for the Norris trophy on a regular basis. Two Conn Smythes don't hurt either (NJ also has two Smythes but Niedermayer's was won while in Anaheim).
Great chart. You're missing a Smythe for Lidstrom, though. Anyway, your chart perfectly illustrates why Montreal's trio beats NJ's trio with no contest - Rafalski isn't on the same level as the other guys.

Personally, I'd pick Stevens, Niedermayer, Daneyko as the Devil's defensive core over 3 Cups, but it obviously doesn't make a difference in the results.

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I think Niedermayer-Pronger-Whitney is better.

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You guys can't compare different Eras. Not as many teams before, not as many rounds in the playoffs, different rules fro drafting,... The cup seems way harder to win today than before...

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You guys can't compare different Eras. Not as many teams before, not as many rounds in the playoffs, different rules fro drafting,... The cup seems way harder to win today than before...
That is a copout of an excuse. People that refuse to look past stats and size of a goalie's equipment believe that eras can't be compared. It is very easy to compare eras in fact. You compare them to their peers. That's all. How did Robinson, Savard and Lapointe compare? No team at that time was even close defensively.

Oh yeah and you need to educate yourself a bit better when talking about it being easy to win Cups. Ask Gordie Howe if Rocket Richard curled up into a ball while they played together? Do you think the '70 Bruins and '70s Flyers didnt do everything in their power to beat the Habs? It has NEVER been easy to win the Stanley Cup. It has NEVER been easy to win two Cups in a row. And regardless of the era it has NEVER been easy to win 5 Cups in a row which is why only one team has done it. Capish?

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How about Lidstrom-Konstantinov-Coffey/Murphy or
Lidstrom-Chelios-Murphy-Ulf Samuelsson

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You guys can't compare different Eras. Not as many teams before, not as many rounds in the playoffs, different rules fro drafting,... The cup seems way harder to win today than before...
You can consider dominant in their era.

In that case Original 6 would be the Habs with Harvey, Johnson and Bouchard (if you considered 4 you could make a good case for Horton, Stanley, Baun and Brewer).

In post expansion it would be the Habs with Savard, Robinson and Lapointe.

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more old timer bias

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more old timer bias
How so?

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more old timer bias
It's always easier to assert, but not prove, bias, rather than respond to carefully documented facts (see post #12).

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