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07-11-2009, 06:13 PM
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Early look at training camp battles

The way I see it, training camp will be very interesting this year in Montreal. With all the new guys, Jacques Martin will have to find brand new line combinations, and with a surplus of both forwards and defensemen, he's going to have to make some tough choices.

SURE THINGS:
Cammalleri
Gomez
Gionta
A.Kostitsyn
Latendresse
Lapierre
Moen
Chipchura - has to clear waivers to be sent down, only 500K cap hit
Laraque - love him or not he has his spot locked

Markov
Hamrlik
Spacek
Gorges
Mara
Gill

ON THE BUBBLE
Plekanec - might be traded this summer
S.Kostitsyn - needs to have a good camp
D'Agostini - might not have a top-9 role up front
Metropolit - needs to have a good camp or else will be waived
Stewart - will need to show he has a spot on our 4th line
Pacioretty - with a good camp he could lock a spot on the top 2 lines

O'Byrne - really needs to have a good camp or else will be stuck as the #7 guy
Weber - might be on the outside looking in with the acquisiton of Mara
Subban - could be ready for a spot but Gainey will have him in Hamilton to start off

Price - will fight with Halak for starting job
Halak - will fight with Price for starting job

LONGSHOTS
Desharnais - so small but so talentend you just know he'll want to impress
Maxwell - will challenge for a spot
Johansson - hopefully he'll be better than at the dev.camp
Darche - who knows, maybe he'll impress, has NHL experience
Glumac - same as Darche
Pyatt - seems to have NHL potential, will challenge for a spot

Carle - hopefully he doesn't get injured again
Henry - good tough guy could stay up if Laraque is still injured

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Plekanec is a sure shot to make the team.
Shouldn't be considered on the bubble because there's rumours of him being moved.


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Plekanec is a sure shot to make the team.
Shouldn't be considered on the bubble because there's rumours of him being moved.
Not that Moens has been signed, Stewart will have a tough time becoming a regular. I think d'Agostini has a better chance than Stewart because he has more offensive ability.

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Chipchura is far from a lock, he could easily clear waivers and be captain of Hamilton. Every team has players like him.

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Chipchura is far from a lock, he could easily clear waivers and be captain of Hamilton. Every team has players like him.
My guess is if Chipchura is put on waiver, someone will pick him up.

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Chipchura is far from a lock, he could easily clear waivers and be captain of Hamilton. Every team has players like him.
He would not clear waivers, you can take that to the bank.

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I think Laraque is on the bubble. He'll be LTIR'ed or waived if he's in the same sorry state he was last year. Unless he really bombs it I think Sergei is pretty sure to make the team.

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Chipchura is far from a lock, he could easily clear waivers and be captain of Hamilton. Every team has players like him.
A former first round pick at 500k? NOT A CHANCE he clears them!

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The way i think the lineup breaks down today:

Forwards:
?-Scott Gomez-Brian Gionta
Mike Cammelleri-Tomas Plekanec-Andrei Kostitsyn
Travis Moen-Maxim Lapierre-?
Gregory Stewart-?-Georges Laraque

The first battle up front will be to get a winger with size on the Gomez/Gionta line. To me this pretty much comes down to Pacioretty vs. Latendresse. Lats will likely have the head start due to the ease at which the Habs could return Patches to Hamilton, but if Patches wins this battle then it will have ramifications on both D'Agostini and S.Kostitsyn.

The second battle kind of ties in with the first one. The "loser" of the first battle will have to fight D'Agostini and S.Kostitsyn for the 3rd line winger spot.

Finally we have Chipchura vs. Metropolit as the 4th line center. Chipchura is bigger, younger and making half as much, but Metropolit is a solid veteran and a better skater. I'm expecting both to make the club.

Defence:

Andrei Markov-Jaroslav Spacek
Roman Hamrlik-Paul Mara
Hal Gill-Josh Gorges
?

To me the only real battle here is for the #7 spot, and it will come down to O'Byrne vs. Weber vs. Subban. But IMO O'Byrne will have to clearly lose this job otherwise its his.

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I think Laraque is on the bubble. He'll be LTIR'ed or waived if he's in the same sorry state he was last year.
I think we still need Georges, at least untill trade deadline. Maybe we can get a 2nd round pick for him.
Carcillo was traded for Upshall and a 2nd

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I think we still need Georges, at least untill trade deadline. Maybe we can get a 2nd round pick for him.
Carcillo was traded for Upshall and a 2nd
But Carcillo is young and healthy : Laraque with back problems is utterly useless, especially at 1.5m. Moen can replace him as a tough guy.

I'm all for Laraque on the team if he can plays 60+ games with similar intensity and effectiveness then in the Boston series. Otherwise he's wasted cap space, spare forwards are usually paid less than 1m.

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Metropolit did well for us last year as our 4th line center, but i would'nt mind having Chipchura as our 4th line center and trade Metropolit. That saves us 1 000 000$.

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But Carcillo is young and healthy : Laraque with back problems is utterly useless, especially at 1.5m. Moen can replace him as a tough guy.

I'm all for Laraque on the team if he can plays 60+ games with similar intensity and effectiveness then in the Boston series. Otherwise he's wasted cap space, spare forwards are usually paid less than 1m.
That's true.

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Metropolit did well for us last year as our 4th line center, but i would'nt mind having Chipchura as our 4th line center and trade Metropolit. That saves us 1 000 000$.
I like Metropolit but a 4th line center does not a team make. This can be a good solution if Chipchura has a good camp so your idea has a lot of merit. Otherwise we can keep Kyle as a spare forward, I'm pretty sure he could play wing. He's probably at a point in his career were he would accept any compromise to stay in the NHL so he probably won't ask for a trade even if he plays less than 20 or 30 games.

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Let me start off by saying I really like both Subban and Weber. I think they'll both be stalwards on the backend for many years. That being said, no matter how good they are in camp, they should both start to season in Hamilton and be used as call ups when needed.
They both need lots of ice time and time to develop their game and gdin confidence before bein g thrown to the wolves in Montreal. Nothing wrong with taking a year plus to develop.
That being said, O'Byrne should be in the 7 spot unless he really drops the ball.
Up front, Chippy should start in Montreal and it's really his spot to loose. If he can't do well with Martin as his coach then he's gone, hence the 1 year deal.
S. Kosty will have to earn his spot in the lineup and likely be in and out of the line up depending on who they're playing and how he's playing.
Stewart will likely be platooning in and out of the third line, but should be in fairly often as laraque will likely be on ltir to start the season.

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Let me start off by saying I really like both Subban and Weber. I think they'll both be stalwards on the backend for many years. That being said, no matter how good they are in camp, they should both start to season in Hamilton and be used as call ups when needed.
They both need lots of ice time and time to develop their game and gdin confidence before bein g thrown to the wolves in Montreal. Nothing wrong with taking a year plus to develop.
That being said, O'Byrne should be in the 7 spot unless he really drops the ball.
Up front, Chippy should start in Montreal and it's really his spot to loose. If he can't do well with Martin as his coach then he's gone, hence the 1 year deal.
S. Kosty will have to earn his spot in the lineup and likely be in and out of the line up depending on who they're playing and how he's playing.
Stewart will likely be platooning in and out of the third line, but should be in fairly often as laraque will likely be on ltir to start the season.
I think Stewart will be in and out of the lineup depending who we play or injuries.
I see Latendresse playing on the second line and Moen playing with Lapierre and S, Kostitsyn on the 3rd.
D'Agostini can also play on the 3rd line scoring the goals Kostopoulos could not.
Stewart is not a 3rd line player.

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I don't like not being able to send Chipchura down w/o clearing waivers.

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I think Stewart will be in and out of the lineup depending who we play or injuries.
I see Latendresse playing on the second line and Moen playing with Lapierre and S, Kostitsyn on the 3rd.
D'Agostini can also play on the 3rd line scoring the goals Kostopoulos could not.
Stewart is not a 3rd line player.
you're absoluty right. I mistyped third in lieu of forth. Thanks for pointing it out

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Metropolit did well for us last year as our 4th line center, but i would'nt mind having Chipchura as our 4th line center and trade Metropolit. That saves us 1 000 000$.
Chipper plays for free?

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Metropolit did well for us last year as our 4th line center, but i would'nt mind having Chipchura as our 4th line center and trade Metropolit. That saves us 1 000 000$.
Why not put Chipchura on LW ? The guy is useless on face offs.

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Why not put Chipchura on LW ? The guy is useless on face offs.
Over Chipchura's last seven games in Montreal, he had an average of 49.1% in the faceoff circle. That's not that bad.

Over Metropolit's last seven games in Montreal, over the last few games of the regular season when getting into the playoffs was in doubt, and during the playoffs, basically all the games where we needed him to be at his best, he had a faceoff% of 41.1 percent. That is pathetic for a veteran who people are touting as a faceoff specialist.

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LONGSHOTS
Desharnais - so small but so talentend you just know he'll want to impress
Maxwell - will challenge for a spot
Johansson - hopefully he'll be better than at the dev.camp
Darche - who knows, maybe he'll impress, has NHL experience
Glumac - same as Darche
Pyatt - seems to have NHL potential, will challenge for a spot

Carle - hopefully he doesn't get injured again
Henry - good tough guy could stay up if Laraque is still injured
I like Glumac stats: 33 goals in 66 games with Bulldogs. I wonder if he has any potential. Do you think he can play for Habs in recent future ?

Mathieu Darche has some experiences in NHL, is there a possibility that he starts in 3rd or 4th line ?

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If Chipchura steps up and has a great camp, he makes Metro expendable IMO. If he doesn't I still believe chip stays on the team because there is no way he clears waivers. He would be one of the extra forwards, getting spot duty.

Other battle would between Pacioretty, D'agostini, S Kostitsyn for 2 spots.

Defense is set I would believe. O'byrne will be the 7th dman. Weber and Subban can start in hamilton and tear it up under Guy Boucher.

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Metropolit did well for us last year as our 4th line center, but i would'nt mind having Chipchura as our 4th line center and trade Metropolit. That saves us 1 000 000$.
wrong,it would save us 500 000 but it's not a bad idea,not for the money but if we signed Chipchura and gonna finally give him his chance then there is no need for Metropolit IMO

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The way I see it, training camp will be very interesting this year in Montreal. With all the new guys, Jacques Martin will have to find brand new line combinations, and with a surplus of both forwards and defensemen, he's going to have to make some tough choices.

SURE THINGS:
Cammalleri
Gomez
Gionta
A.Kostitsyn
Latendresse
Lapierre
Moen
Chipchura - has to clear waivers to be sent down, only 500K cap hit
Laraque - love him or not he has his spot locked

Markov
Hamrlik
Spacek
Gorges
Mara
Gill

ON THE BUBBLE
Plekanec - might be traded this summer
S.Kostitsyn - needs to have a good camp
D'Agostini - might not have a top-9 role up front
Metropolit - needs to have a good camp or else will be waived
Stewart - will need to show he has a spot on our 4th line
Pacioretty - with a good camp he could lock a spot on the top 2 lines

O'Byrne - really needs to have a good camp or else will be stuck as the #7 guy
Weber - might be on the outside looking in with the acquisiton of Mara
Subban - could be ready for a spot but Gainey will have him in Hamilton to start off

Price - will fight with Halak for starting job
Halak - will fight with Price for starting job

LONGSHOTS
Desharnais - so small but so talentend you just know he'll want to impress
Maxwell - will challenge for a spot
Johansson - hopefully he'll be better than at the dev.camp
Darche - who knows, maybe he'll impress, has NHL experience
Glumac - same as Darche
Pyatt - seems to have NHL potential, will challenge for a spot

Carle - hopefully he doesn't get injured again
Henry - good tough guy could stay up if Laraque is still injured

i dont see why everyone thinks hes there for sure, he hasnt even signed yet...

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The way i think the lineup breaks down today:

Forwards:
?-Scott Gomez-Brian Gionta
Mike Cammelleri-Tomas Plekanec-Andrei Kostitsyn
Travis Moen-Maxim Lapierre-?
Gregory Stewart-?-Georges Laraque

The first battle up front will be to get a winger with size on the Gomez/Gionta line. To me this pretty much comes down to Pacioretty vs. Latendresse. Lats will likely have the head start due to the ease at which the Habs could return Patches to Hamilton, but if Patches wins this battle then it will have ramifications on both D'Agostini and S.Kostitsyn.
That could be true, but A.Kost could also play LW on the 1rst line.

Then, Latendresse and D'agostini would fight for the 2nd line spot, but I think that Latendresse will end up playing with Lapierre because they have good chemistry.

With Laraque possibly on the IR, you have:

Andrei Kostitsyn-Scott Gomez-Brian Gionta
Mike Cammelleri-Tomas Plekanec-Matt D'Agostini
Travis Moen-Maxim Lapierre-Guillaume Latendresse
Gregory Stewart-?-Sergei Kostitsyn

Metro, Maxwell and Chipchura fighting for the last spot. MaxPac could prove me wrong...

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