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07-13-2009, 02:07 PM
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At this point Toronto has nothing, but Luke Schenn to trade and he really hasn't proved anything and is just a work in progress. The Leafs suck, and it's just being honest they have no fire power anyone would want.

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07-13-2009, 02:09 PM
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1st Trade.
To Toronto:
RW Jason Pominville (5 years $5,300,000)
Sabres 2nd Round Pick 2010

To Buffalo
D Ian White (1 year $850,000)
C Matt Stajan (1 year $1,750,000)
this one is awful... the Sabres give up the best player in the deal by far... and add a 2nd round pick. WTF ??? We have 10 guys competing for 7 or 8 spots on Defense. Ian White is worthless to us.

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07-13-2009, 02:09 PM
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Considering these trades were proposed by a Leafs fan, not bad at all. As you all know Leaf fans are known for their ridiculously one-sided trade proposals, but these aren't too bad.

Nice job

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07-13-2009, 02:11 PM
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Considering these trades were proposed by a Leafs fan, not bad at all. As you all know Leaf fans are known for their ridiculously one-sided trade proposals, but these aren't too bad.

Nice job
Pominville and a 2nd for White and Stajan is about as one sided as it gets

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07-13-2009, 02:13 PM
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1st Trade.
To Toronto:
RW Jason Pominville (5 years $5,300,000)
Sabres 2nd Round Pick 2010

To Buffalo
D Ian White (1 year $850,000)
C Matt Stajan (1 year $1,750,000)
Counter:

To Buffalo:
Luke Schenn
Toronto 2nd round pick

To Toronto:
Daniel Paille
Nathan Paetsch

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07-13-2009, 02:15 PM
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1st Trade.
To Toronto:
RW Jason Pominville (5 years $5,300,000)
Sabres 2nd Round Pick 2010

To Buffalo
D Ian White (1 year $850,000)
C Matt Stajan (1 year $1,750,000)

What do you guys think about these two trades??
I think you have too much time on your hands. Why not just ask for a 1st rounder too?

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07-13-2009, 02:23 PM
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To Buffalo:
Luke Schenn
Toronto 2nd round pick

To Toronto:
Daniel Paille
Nathan Paetsch
Hey, I'd do that one in a second!

Seriously, the OP deal is a non-starter for Buffalo. No thanks.

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The Leafs get ripped badly in both those trades (moreso in the second one)

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1st Trade.
To Toronto:
RW Jason Pominville (5 years $5,300,000)
D Henrik Tallinder
LW Dan Paille
D/LW Nathan Paetcsh


To Buffalo
D Ian White (1 year $850,000)
C Matt Stajan (1 year $1,750,000)
RW Nikolai Kulemin
C Mikhail Stefanovich



FIXED.

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07-13-2009, 02:52 PM
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At this point Toronto has nothing, but Luke Schenn to trade and he really hasn't proved anything and is just a work in progress. The Leafs suck, and it's just being honest they have no fire power anyone would want.
you suggest we tank for a bunch of years, so we can get our "fire power" equal to what the blackhawks did? The leafs do suck, but atleast were making strides to be a better team; without having to screw the fans over by falling off the face of the earth to gain the best players they can in each draft.

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07-13-2009, 03:05 PM
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I agree with an earlier poster. It is more likely the Leafs trade Kaberle to another team, then take Campbell in a trade from Chicago. Maybe something like

Campbell
Beach

for

2nd rounder 2011
mid level prospect
minor salary dump

?

Chicago doesn't need Kaberle back in a Campbell trade as they already have some good offensive D-men (and more coming up soon).

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07-13-2009, 03:24 PM
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Im more interested for the shot to get first overall next year than Campbell“s contract tho.

If the only way you "take" Campbell is one of our youngsters then how about:

Kaberle
1st

to

Campbell
Brouwer
3rd

PS: the above trade is not thought trough from my part, im just throwing something @ you.
The op is brutal at making proposal and you've shown yourself just as capable. There is not reason for us to give up a first for a dman that is par with Kaberle but paid 3 million more a season. Well I guess he is all of one year younger. Leafs aren't taking on Campbell and they sure as #### aren't trading two huge assets to do so.

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07-13-2009, 03:25 PM
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Wow Buffalo laughs in your face.

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07-13-2009, 03:26 PM
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At this point Toronto has nothing, but Luke Schenn to trade and he really hasn't proved anything and is just a work in progress. The Leafs suck, and it's just being honest they have no fire power anyone would want.
Enjoy your short time as a good team. The cap will great you with open arms next year. At least you'll get to watch campbell play for 7 years.

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07-13-2009, 03:34 PM
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The op is brutal at making proposal and you've shown yourself just as capable. There is not reason for us to give up a first for a dman that is par with Kaberle but paid 3 million more a season. Well I guess he is all of one year younger. Leafs aren't taking on Campbell and they sure as #### aren't trading two huge assets to do so.
Read post number 20 please.

Then read the whole conversation again and you just might understand why i threw that so called "proposal" out.

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07-13-2009, 03:47 PM
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If Chicago is getting rid of Campbell they are not going to take on two sucky ass players from Toronto for 5 million. Theyll take two sucky ass ppl worth 500 K. The whole point of getting rid of someone like Campbell is to free up Cap Space not free up 7 mill and then take back 5. Gotta love Toronto Maple Laffs trades...God they are such a bad org.
gotta love #### up Hawks fans who don't understand the cap. You have no idea of player value. Finger is overpaid for what he does and Campbell is drastically overpaid for what he does. You may also want to look into actual player salaries. It would clear up 750k from the Hawks cap this year. Oh and guess what. Mike Van Ryn who is far from "sucky" but I wouldn't expect you to understand that is also a UFA at the end of the season freeing up another 2.9 million for next year which is important if you plan of re signing your RFA's. Who exactly do you expect to take on Campbell's contract for two players that are paid 500k a year? Post teams who would take him on for that return. Oh and since your new here I'll give you a tip. Don't post things like Maple Laffs or you'll never be taken seriously. If I called the Hawks the Hacks I wouldn't expect anyone to take anything I say into account.

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1st Trade.
To Toronto:
RW Jason Pominville (5 years $5,300,000)
Sabres 2nd Round Pick 2010

To Buffalo
D Ian White (1 year $850,000)
C Matt Stajan (1 year $1,750,000)

2nd Trade.
To Toronto:
D Brian Campbell (7 years $7,142,875)
LW Ben Eager (1 year $965,000)

To Chicago:
1st Round Pick 2010
D Mike Van Ryn (1 year $2,900,000)
D Jeff Finger (3 years $3,500,000)

What do you guys think about these two trades??
What...you guys get to have a 4th line of Eager-Hollweg-Orr?

That's Burketastic!

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07-13-2009, 03:51 PM
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Read post number 20 please.

Then read the whole conversation again and you just might understand why i threw that so called "proposal" out.
No still don't. You clearly state your interested in our first. You also add why you added Brower. Looks like you were making a legitimate offer to me.

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07-13-2009, 04:03 PM
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No still don't. You clearly state your interested in our first. You also add why you added Brower. Looks like you were making a legitimate offer to me.
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PS: the above trade is not thought trough from my part, im just throwing something @ you.
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There was no need to find and spent time to think the balanced trade for this one as Kaberle for Campbell deal is pointless in most situations, i threw it out to prove a point that Toronto in all likeness will not get/trade for Campbell.
However if that would happen someday Kaberle would move out to other team than Chicago before you would bring Campbell in.
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Kaberle for Campbell deal is pointless in most situations, i threw it out to prove a point that Toronto in all likeness will not get/trade for Campbell.
Especially these two: now read closely!

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i threw it out to prove a point
Get it now ?

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07-13-2009, 04:40 PM
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Especially these two: now read closely!





Get it now ?
Yeah I get that once your trade was rejected because of it's brutality you simply started stating actual points. The points you made later are very much valid but have no relevance on the proposal you made. A Campbell, Kaberle trade makes no sense. The OP was doing a dump for dump trade that was already bad for the leafs. You followed that up with a trade involving value for a serious salary dump. Do you get it now? You illustrated all kinds of points as to why Kaberle for Campbell doesn't make sense. Well seeing as Kaberle was in no way involved in the OP what does your shining example have to do with anything?

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pominville is no salary dump!

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07-13-2009, 05:05 PM
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1st Trade.
To Toronto:
RW Jason Pominville (5 years $5,300,000)
Sabres 2nd Round Pick 2010

To Buffalo
D Ian White (1 year $850,000)
C Matt Stajan (1 year $1,750,000)

2nd Trade.
To Toronto:
D Brian Campbell (7 years $7,142,875)
LW Ben Eager (1 year $965,000)

To Chicago:
1st Round Pick 2010
D Mike Van Ryn (1 year $2,900,000)
D Jeff Finger (3 years $3,500,000)

What do you guys think about these two trades??
WOW.

your like, Harold Ballard re-born

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The whole premise of a Kaberle-for-Campbell swap is completely ridiculous from a leaf perspective for many reasons.

#1. Kaberle is a huge part of our blueline. If we move him, we better be getting a top line forward back improve our firepower in exchange for transition game. If there's no #1 forward coming back, there's no sense in moving Kaberle because he is BY FAR the best fit that we could get.

#2. If we move Kaberle, we don't want a defenceman in return. We've got White & Van Ryn who could jump into the role and problably play satisfactory. Meanwhile they make less than 1/2 and 1/9 of Campbell's salary. Therefore, Campbell has NEGATIVE value to the Leafs; that $7million is a massive cap burden. Toronto could take on a salary dump for one year, but not 7.

If Chicago wants to make the Kaberle for Campbell swap.... this is how the package has to shape up.

Step 1 -- Give us a deal that makes sense to move Kaberle -- Versteeg & a first round pick.

Step 2 -- Give us a reason to take on Campbell. Beach and our 2nd round pick back. To the Leafs, White at $3million > Campbell at $7

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07-13-2009, 06:14 PM
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To Toronto:
RW Jason Pominville (5 years $5,300,000)
rights to drew stafford
??? rights to zach kassian

To Buffalo
D Ian White (1 year $850,000)
C Matt Stajan (1 year $1,750,000)
L Alexei Ponikarovski (2,105,000)
1st Round Pick 2011
3rd 2010

it's alot to ask but
can this deal be done

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At this point Toronto has nothing, but Luke Schenn to trade and he really hasn't proved anything and is just a work in progress. The Leafs suck, and it's just being honest they have no fire power anyone would want.
Leafs fans will argue with you that he's already a top pairing dman and one of the elite young dmen in the league. They would argue that Schenn >>>> Claude Giroux but the truth is that both may have looked very good at times last year and both of their fans may carry their banner like a sword but the truth is that both still have a lot to prove and neither has established anything other than that they have "potential" and that they CAN play at the NHL level.

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