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07-14-2009, 09:01 AM
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Based solely on comments across this board, and my opinion of what Lisin brings to the table, at this point I'm not a fan of this trade.

If we are signing Tanguay right now, I'll feel better. We desperately need players with offensive skill.

And what is with Maloney and Sather? WTF with all these Ranger - Coyote trades?

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Don't understand this trade. Not at all.

Korpedo has a TON of talent and is a very well rounded hockey player. His wrist shot is lethal when he uses it. The Rangers never used him the way they should...was getting 3rd/4th line minutes.

I was really hoping they were going to give him a legitimate shot this coming season and was exciting to see what the kid could do...looks like you'll have that luxury.

Anyway, you will be very pleased with Korpikoski's defensive game, and offensive game, REALLY liked this guy.

Korpikoski scores in his FIRST NHL game which happend to be a very heated Playoff Game vs. the Pittsburgh Penguins '08.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxOqHS0jbns

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07-14-2009, 09:24 AM
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And what is with Maloney and Sather? WTF with all these Ranger - Coyote trades?
IMO that's a much bigger deal than Lisin or Korpikoski.

It seems to me that Maloney is sticking with what he knows - and he knows the Rangers system. I don't know if he's just picking guys who Sather drafted for him but he felt were misused (Prucha, Dawes) or guys that he thought had more upside than the Rangers organization believed (Montoya, now Korpikoski), but it seems pretty clear that DM believes he has unfinished business with a few of these dudes.

On the surface, it looks bad for Maloney to be dancing so exclusively with Sather. On the other side of the coin, Phoenix has a lot more available ice time for some of these guys and their upside here might be higher than in New York. Certainly that was the case for Prucha and Montoya, at least in the short looks we had at the end of last season.

Maloney's good decision to bad decision ratio is still good enough that I'll keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't been very aggressive with the exception of the Jokinen trade but he's made good use of his available resources. Getting Korpikoski for a guy who was likely to be playing for Metallurg or Dynamo this season was a good move.

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07-14-2009, 09:39 AM
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Why? Not saying I agree or disagree but just curious for your reasoning. That's like emphatically saying "I love fat chicks!" and then not giving a reason why.
Cause they're warm in the winter and shady in the summertime?

As for the trade...not surprised to see Lisin go. I'll pass judgement on Korpikoski when I've seen him play.

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I feel Korpedo will be a 20-25 goal, elite defensive player with game breaking speed and a willingness to get physical.

Would have tore up the AHL this season 4GP 4G 6Pts but was/is to good defensively to keep of the NHL roster.

Story of his life, always to good in the defensive end so bumped to a higher league as a checker when should be allowed to develop the offense.

He'll be put in the Yotes top six due to the defense and finally get NHL development time for the offense. Has a sick wrist shot.

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07-14-2009, 10:26 AM
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I really hope so even though I'm against the trade. I'd love nothing more than for once the Coyotes to reap the benefits of another teams stuff Korpikoski and Lepisto. Usually it seems others benefit from our team.

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07-14-2009, 10:39 AM
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You should check out Alexander Ovechkin, Jaromir Jagr, Pavel Bure and Alexei Kovalev to start. If you're not familiar, they've had some pretty solid seasons in the NHL. Most (read: all) of them have played in an all-star game or two (read: several).

I'm not saying Lisin was going to be one of those players -- he has that kind of ceilling -- but I am saying your post was a remarkable example of ignorance to go with your normal lack of spelling and grammar. Wake up.
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Really ignorance? So your telling my AO, Kovalev and Jagr are just 1 dimensional players? Last time I checked all played a regular shift on the PP for their respective teams, something Enver rarely did for us, if Enver is the offensive juggernaut that everyone makes him out too be, then why wasn't he a staple on the the PP? Granted Enver was more a pure snipper, not a PP specialist, but thats my point what else could he contribute? Ovechkin specifically can be a physical force, battle for the puck, not afraid to throw the body around. Jagr could incorporate other team mates into the play. bla bla bla, when i said 1 dimensional vs multi dimensional what I was trying to communicate was Enver may just be a 1 trick pony. All those names you stated could do more than one thing; skate fast towards the net. Sorry I think you have the rose glasses on with respect to Enver.

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If Korpikoski and Lepisto both stick around/make the team there will be some Finnish spoken in the locker room - most Scandinavians speak decent English but if language is at all an issue its nice to have someone around that speaks the mother tongue.

Edit: Both Korpikoski and Lisin are RFA's - anybody know what Korpedo's QO was?

Found it - Qualified at last year's number $1.017 million


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I think we would of liked to keep Enver but maybe his new deal was an issue. Maybe he was thinking about going to play in Russia. From what I read this Lauri kid could be the next Jere Lehtinen, so I like that. But Lisin was one of my favorites. I wish him well, but I hope we smoke NYR on this trade. All HAIL FINLAND!

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07-14-2009, 10:48 AM
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Lisin probably could have done well on the PP. Many of us don't understand why he wasn't used as much as he should have been. Like he scores a hat trick then benched the next game... You know our Brilliant coach probably had more to do with him not seeing the ice time he should have.

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Lisin probably could have done well on the PP. Many of us don't understand why he wasn't used as much as he should have been. Like he scores a hat trick then benched the next game... You know our Brilliant coach probably had more to do with him not seeing the ice time he should have.
Those events - multi-goal game then benching - did not occur in uninterrupted succession though. It SEEMS that way to us as fans but there are practices and other things going on in the interim that we don't see.

There was something in Enver's game that the coaching staff didn't like - enough to have him ride pine during the season and then not want to give him a one-way deal. Saying or implying that it's because Gretzky and the staff are morons is uninformed at best and unnecessarily critical.

Oh, and Lisin did play the powerplay a couple of times and was unremarkable. His best moments happened on breakaways and dekes when his speed could be utilized. He had a harder time when he was stationary or battling.

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Lisin probably could have done well on the PP. Many of us don't understand why he wasn't used as much as he should have been. Like he scores a hat trick then benched the next game... You know our Brilliant coach probably had more to do with him not seeing the ice time he should have.
I'm telling you I think the kid lacks a major work ethic in practice. I remember countless interviews w/ Coach TGO, where he he talks about rewarding "hard work" with PP time and prim minutes. I really believe this kid didn't want to work hard to be an NHL player. Thats just what I sense reading between the lines.

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Those events - multi-goal game then benching - did not occur in uninterrupted succession though. It SEEMS that way to us as fans but there are practices and other things going on in the interim that we don't see.

There was something in Enver's game that the coaching staff didn't like - enough to have him ride pine during the season and then not want to give him a one-way deal. Saying or implying that it's because Gretzky and the staff are morons is uninformed at best and unnecessarily critical.

Oh, and Lisin did play the powerplay a couple of times and was unremarkable. His best moments happened on breakaways and dekes when his speed could be utilized. He had a harder time when he was stationary or battling.
This would be all well and good if we had an offensive juggernaught team like a pittsburgh, chicago, or detroit. But the truth is our team has struggled to score the last 3 seasons. We don't have the luxury of benching offensive-minded players for pluggers that "work hard in practice".

Coaching and management owe it to the fans who pay to see this team a little excitement and goal scoring. No one wants to come watch them get shut out by the fricking minnesota wild at home.

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07-14-2009, 11:35 AM
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I'm pretty bummed about losing Lisin, but I know nothing about Korpikoski. I'll wait to see him play before expressing a real opinion about this trade.

At first glance though, we're trading a .27 goal, .44 point scorer with a -13 that's been cause for much heated debate for a .9 goal, .2 point scorer with an amazing -10 that apparently does not reflect his "amazing defensive abilities" and not worth being taken into consideration.

Both players are exactly the same age, and were drafted the same year.

On paper at least, this does not look very exciting at all.

And whoever is excited about another Sjostrom replacing Lisin - that's just crazy talk.

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I'm telling you I think the kid lacks a major work ethic in practice. I remember countless interviews w/ Coach TGO, where he he talks about rewarding "hard work" with PP time and prim minutes. I really believe this kid didn't want to work hard to be an NHL player. Thats just what I sense reading between the lines.
Yes, yes, we know - Lisin didn't want to be an NHL player, he was lazy, and always threatened to bolt to Russia. Any more factual (or even just objective) information you'd like to share with us?

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Oh man. You're not being coherehent.

I was going to type a long-winded response to this, but let's just summarize in two sentences.

Without a one-way deal, Lisin was going to bolt. Maloney got something for what was going to be nothing.

EDIT: I'm breaking my own rule. Read Dave King's "King of Russia" sometime if you want some insight into the kind of player Enver Lisin is. Pay particular attention to the section on Stanislav Chistov.
And what's the problem with giving him a one way deal?

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I'm pretty bummed about losing Lisin, but I know nothing about Korpikoski. I'll wait to see him play before expressing a real opinion about this trade.
This should've been my position, as well. Is it too late to take it?

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And what's the problem with giving him a one way deal?
Apparently, Maloney envisioned having to send Lisin to San Antonio for extended stretches and didn't want to have to subject Enver to re-entry waivers. But that's just a guess.

If you really want to know why Lisin wasn't favored by the Coyotes, talk to Maloney. He's quite approachable and he'll give you a straight answer.

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And what's the problem with giving him a one way deal?
If I were him and the Coyotes were trying to sign me on a two-way deal I would have fought it too. I am not saying sign him long term yet but there is no way he shouldn't have been offered a one-way deal for fair money.

Everyone keeps talking about how we need scoring (and I agree) yet they don't see any problem with just giving what little we have away. I guess I am just tired of having one 30 goal scorer on our team every year and a bunch of 10 to 15 goal guys. We need goal scorers! We will never make the playoffs with just one 30 goal guy.

I am not saying Lisin was for sure a 30 goal guy but he was the closest guy we had potential wise this year. I think Mueller, Turris and Boedker may get there some day but not this year and probably not next either.

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If I were him and the Coyotes were trying to sign me on a two-way deal I would have fought it too. I am not saying sign him long term yet but there is no way he shouldn't have been offered a one-way deal for fair money.

Everyone keeps talking about how we need scoring (and I agree) yet they don't see any problem with just giving what little we have away. I guess I am just tired of having one 30 goal scorer on our team every year and a bunch of 10 to 15 goal guys. We need goal scorers! We will never make the playoffs with just one 30 goal guy.

I am not saying Lisin was for sure a 30 goal guy but he was the closest guy we had potential wise this year. I think Mueller, Turris and Boedker may get there some day but not this year and probably not next either.
Did Lisin ever play with a legitimate playmaker? Didn't think so.

Did Lisin ever get consistent minutes on the PP? No. Those are reserved for Mueller.

Did lisin get F'd around from SA to Phx press box back to SA - yes, all the time.

Did lisin score the most exciting 2 goals last year for our team - yes.

Did he score at respectable rate - yes, 2nd on our team only to Doan.

Did he need to work on his D-play - yes, everyone know this.

Did Lisin ever get quality coaching? No - we don't have any of those.

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After sleeping on this, I still don't like it. We traded a offensive guy with defensive upside for a defensive guy with offensive upside.
I have much more faith in a guy who puts the puck in the net learning to be average defensively, than a defensively guy learning to produce averagely the puck in the net.

It's not like its we haven't already gotten better at the PK's and faceoffs after dumping Jokinen and picking up lombardi, and then fiddler in Free Agency, as well as making solid additions on the blueline and depth. This move just seems like we traded a rare commidity (goals) for something redundant: a 3rd liner with HF's wetdream potential.

Now obviously, we don't know how contract talks were going, and Lisin likely wanting a 1 way deal, and not going to get it, as well as money, and Lisin being phased out at the end of last year (which is when to let guys learn since we sucked anyway, but we were too busy "going for it" when we clearly had no shot. That's another story *cough* coaching *cough*). Not to mention, I expected lisin to be traded since hes clearly the odd man out, but that doesn't change my frustration with the coaching staff.

Can't say I'm overly amused, except that apparently the Korps fits our "style" young fast physical, defensively responsible, but compared to lisin's flash, most anyone would look dead in comparison.

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It's not like its we haven't already gotten better at the PK's and faceoffs after dumping Jokinen and picking up lombardi, and then fiddler in Free Agency, as well as making solid additions on the blueline and depth. This move just seems like we traded a rare commidity (goals) for something redundant: a 3rd liner with HF's wetdream potential.
This franchise has always overreacted. Briere for Gratton is a good example.

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I wonder if this isn't indicative of the Mike Barnett-style of overly reactionary, singularly minded transactions. That is to say, the Coyotes were horrendous at faceoffs last year, so now they've acquired three faceoff studs (Lombardi, Fiddler and now Korpikoski) to overcome this deficiency. It reminds me of when the Barnett regime would identify a weakness (be it size or speed or whatever) and pay dearly to make it a strength, usually at the cost of something else. In these cases, the Coyotes haven't given up much (a sulking Jokinen for Lombardi [and more], a few million for Fiddler, Lisin for Korpikoski), but still.

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I wonder if this isn't indicative of the Mike Barnett-style of overly reactionary, singularly minded transactions. That is to say, the Coyotes were horrendous at faceoffs last year, so now they've acquired three faceoff studs (Lombardi, Fiddler and now Korpikoski) to overcome this deficiency. It reminds me of when the Barnett regime would identify a weakness (be it size or speed or whatever) and pay dearly to make it a strength, usually at the cost of something else. In these cases, the Coyotes haven't given up much (a sulking Jokinen for Lombardi [and more], a few million for Fiddler, Lisin for Korpikoski), but still.
Where did you guys see Korpikoski's was a good faceoff guy? I looked at his game by game totals on NHL.com and saw a bunch of 100% (which means he probably took one the whole game) and a few lower percentages. That will always kick up someone's average when in reality they are average at best. I have to deal with this in my fantasy league every year.

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