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03-30-2004, 03:15 PM
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Greatest American NHL Player Ever?

Who is the greatest American NHL player of all-time?

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one of these 3.

Lafontaine, Leetch or Modano.


sorry, forgot Chelios, one of those 4.

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one of these 3.

Lafontaine, Leetch or Modano.


sorry, forgot Chelios, one of those 4.

IMO there are 5 at the top:

Lafontaine, Modano, Roenick, Leetch and Chelios.

At their very best, I'd go Leetch.

Best over a long career I'd go Chelios at this point.


*** - Not considering Hull American.


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IMO there are 5 at the top:

Lafontaine, Modano, Roenick, Leetch and Chelios.

At their very best, I'd go Leetch.

Best over a long career I'd go Chelios at this point.
I considered roenick, but if you took the 3 centers in their prime, Roenick would clearly rank below Laffy and Modano. I'm a huge Roenick fan too. I can see you as a Flyers fan putting Roenick up there, as we will all have a little bias, but for me at least Roenick is slightly below the guys mentioned.

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1. Brian Leetch
2. Brett Hull
3. Mike Modano
4. Chris Chelios
5. Pat LaFontaine


If you don't consider Hull...

1. Brian Leetch
2. Mike Modano
3. Chris Chelios
4. Pat LaFontaine
5. Jeremy Roenick


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I considered roenick, but if you took the 3 centers in their prime, Roenick would clearly rank below Laffy and Modano. I'm a huge Roenick fan too. I can see you as a Flyers fan putting Roenick up there, as we will all have a little bias, but for me at least Roenick is slightly below the guys mentioned.

I disagree. People forget how good Roenick was in Chicago before the knee injury.

At his best Roenick was better than Lafontaine and Modano. Offensively they were comparable, but Roenick brought a physical presence that those two never had.

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don't forget joey mullen

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I disagree. People forget how good Roenick was in Chicago before the knee injury.

At his best Roenick was better than Lafontaine and Modano. Offensively they were comparable, but Roenick brought a physical presence that those two never had.
This could be a very good debate. I have to agree that taking everything into consideration Roenick is the best of the 3...maybe not a their prime, but overall as a career.

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[QUOTE=John Flyers Fan]IMO there are 5 at the top:

Lafontaine, Modano, Roenick, Leetch and Chelios.


I'll mention Mike Richter to add a goalie to that roster.

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisp...pid%5B%5D=4564

Another great American NHLer: Joe Mullen.

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisp...pid%5B%5D=3838

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don't forget joey mullen
Mullen doesn't sniff the top 5. Borderline top 10.

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Do Richter or Beezer get mention?

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Modano for sure. I haven't looked at the numbers but he's always put up good numbers and he's won a cup.

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Frank Brimsek is the greatest American goalie ever. Richter would fall behind him... and possibly behind Barrasso.

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Lafontaine....career cut short or he would have had some amazing career numbers.

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Lafontaine....career cut short or he would have had some amazing career numbers.
It's not "who would have had the best career?"... it's "who's the greatest?"

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Leetch, Chelios, Roenick, Modano and Lafontaine would comprise my top 5.

The next grouping would be some order of: Richter, Barasso, Brimsek, Vanbiesbrouck, Housley, Mullen, Broten and Mark Howe.

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LaFontaine no doubt for me.


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don't forget joey mullen
THANK you...
I was going nuts trying to figure out the guy's name.

My vote goes to Leetch.

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It's not "who would have had the best career?"... it's "who's the greatest?"
And the answer is STILL LaFontaine. He was better than Modano offensively, though not as good as Modano is now defensively. Modano has 91 more points in 230+ more games. LaFontaine was much more exciting to watch. Roenick is a close third, with Phil Housely in there as well as Chelios. Neal Broten would have been in there, but he dropped off a lot after his 10th season or so.

I would put Leetch in the top 10 at about 8th or 9th. Never saw why people thought he was so great. Average stickhandler, good passer, average skater at best...I guess I don't get it about him.

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I would put Leetch in the top 10 at about 8th or 9th. Never saw why people thought he was so great. Average stickhandler, good passer, average skater at best...I guess I don't get it about him.
Average stickhandler and average skater ???

Not sure which games you were watching.

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Ya Leetch is a good skater, he has some crazy moves for a defenseman too. But LaFontaine was just so supremely talented, and reached 1013 points in a small 865 games, and lets not forget his later years he was already playing with a few concussions. Guys like Modano, Roenick are reaching the 1000 points plateau in their thirties, Pat did it well before them. And best career isn't just best statistics, something LaFontaine can hold against anyone, it's also about who dominated the game and was a true superstar in the league while playing.

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Average stickhandler and average skater ???

Not sure which games you were watching.
New York Ranger games.

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Ya Leetch is a good skater, he has some crazy moves for a defenseman too. But LaFontaine was just so supremely talented, and reached 1013 points in a small 865 games, and lets not forget his later years he was already playing with a few concussions. Guys like Modano, Roenick are reaching the 1000 points plateau in their thirties, Pat did it well before them. And best career isn't just best statistics, something LaFontaine can hold against anyone, it's also about who dominated the game and was a true superstar in the league while playing.
LaFontaine hit 1000 points at the age of 32.

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Ya Leetch is a good skater, he has some crazy moves for a defenseman too. But LaFontaine was just so supremely talented, and reached 1013 points in a small 865 games, and lets not forget his later years he was already playing with a few concussions. Guys like Modano, Roenick are reaching the 1000 points plateau in their thirties, Pat did it well before them. And best career isn't just best statistics, something LaFontaine can hold against anyone, it's also about who dominated the game and was a true superstar in the league while playing.

True, but Roenick and Modano played their first full NHL season in 1989-90. Lafontaine entered in 84-85.

JR and Modano have spent far more time in the tight checking, trapping NHL, LaFontaine spent more of his career during the higher scoring 80's and early 90's.

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LaFontaine hit 1000 points at the age of 32.
Alright, but he achieved that in his final year, he had numerous injuries before that, lost time with lockouts and so on. 865 games that's maybe 11 seasons, it's doable before the age of 30.
Anyway, about the comparison with Modano, Roenick and the era they're playing it,they both had some pretty high scoring years in the early 90s, just like LaFontaine did. It's not like they entered the league in 1997, they played in the same era as LaFontaine for a lot of years, and themselves enjoyed the high scoring NHL days.

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