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07-14-2009, 05:36 AM
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Does Dubi get more than Cally?

Brandon has his comparable right there. His own teammate.

Callahan just signed his deal and by all accounts, it's a good deal for both team and player, but why would Brandon's agent be willing to take anything less?

They are both RFA's so it's not like Callahan contract CAN'T be used and if you have one player that posted 1 40+ point season making 2.3 million, why would Dubinsky expect anything less when posting his 2nd straight 40+ point season?

I know some will argue arbitration is the difference, but if I am Dubi's agent, I don't really care. That's Glen Sather's problem. My client has just established that he is at least a 40+ point guy, and based on the most recent comparable contract, it's worth 2.3 million.

The only time contracts cannot be compared is whe you go to arbitration, you cannot use UFA contracts. Brandon can use Cally's contract and he can use Kotalik's contract as well. There's a big difference between Cally and Kotalik, but Brandon's agent can and will use both to establish the value of his client and will get a very very similar contract to that of Callahan.

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Isn't it wishful thinking to suppose that Dubinsky sees Callahan as a comparable?

To me Dubinsky's ceiling is much higher, and apart from having been a 40+ point player two years in a row rather than just one year, while being a full year younger, Dubinsky also has 12 points in 19 playoff games with 5 goals. Callahan has 6 points with 4 goals in the same number of games.

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The fact that Dubinsky is younger works against him, to a degree, because he is further away from UFA status. And yes, he has had two 40 points seasons, but he's never scored more than 14 goals. I would expect him to get 3 years/6 mil.

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I'm inclined to say yes bc he's a little better and is a center who can use comparables like what the Leafs gave Grabovski. I don't want it to be more than 2.8. I hope they at least lock him up.

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Hell no it would be a crime against nature if he did

Infact,if dubinsky gets anywhere near cally's salary i will run naked down the streets screaming fire sather and won't upload it to youtube just like everyone else.



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hard to say, but his goal scoring troubles might work against him, while the 2 years of 40 points might work for him versus Callahan's one year. I think the contracts might end up being comparable, but I doubt he gets more

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To me his goal scoring issues are not issues at all in that he's a center and his primary job is to set up his linemates and he's done his job.

Would I like to see more goals, yes, but I'd also like ot see his assist numbers creep into the 40+ range where scoring 15 goals isn't much of a concern.

Still, he's a center who is responsible for creating plays....he does that.

Callahan is a scorer who is responsible for scoring goals....he does that.

If they are both doing what they are supposed to do, then similar contracts are in order.

As for age, I don't think that 1 year is not really a big difference

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Isn't it wishful thinking to suppose that Dubinsky sees Callahan as a comparable?

To me Dubinsky's ceiling is much higher, and apart from having been a 40+ point player two years in a row rather than just one year, while being a full year younger, Dubinsky also has 12 points in 19 playoff games with 5 goals. Callahan has 6 points with 4 goals in the same number of games.
I don't disagree with the ceiling comment, but I've never been a big believer in paying a guy for what he MAY do a year or two from now.

The PO numbers also have alot to do with who the players played with and the roles they played. Dubi played alot with Jagr in the PO's where Cally played more of a 3rd line role in 07-08

Neither had an exceptional 08-09 playoffs.

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Probably not. I think anywhere from 1.8 to exactly what Callahan got. In the long run I think Dubinsky is going to be the better player though.

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I'm inclined to say yes bc he's a little better and is a center who can use comparables like what the Leafs gave Grabovski. I don't want it to be more than 2.8. I hope they at least lock him up.
I wouldn't use Grabovsky, Brandon would fail if he did.

Grabovsky as a rookie scored more goals than Dubi and posted the same number of assists as Dubi has (as his current high)

I understand that there are other attributes to the players that would off-set the stats, but it's not as great a difference that would warrant Brandon getting anywhere near 2.8 million.

As bad as the Leafs were, Grabovsky was only a -8.
Brandon on a PO team wasa -6

PIM's are pretty similar

Importance to their respective clubs are pretty even as well.

All things being equal, the final comparable has to be stats and Grabovsky hasBrandon beat (today)

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Callahan had a better year so I would assume Dubinsky makes less

Regardless this roster is shaping up to be completely different upfront compared to the start

Looks as if Dubinsky, Callahan , Drury will be the only F who played in the first game in Euro last year

Gaborik, Kotalik, Higgins, Linsin, Avery, Anisimov, Byers, Boyle, Brashear

The D looks similar though which is why I think they go their next with one new face and the rest new aswell but rooks like Gilroy

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I'd say yes Dubi gets more than Cally, whether its $ or length of deal. One season can blind most of you... Dubinsky has much more potential, Callahan is coming off his best season in the NHL and Dubinsky off of a average season where he struggled at times. Anyway, Yes Dubi will get more.

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Dubinsky hs zero leverage without an offer sheet. How would he get more money then Callahan?
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I think he gets in the 2 - 2.5 range.

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I think he gets in the 2 - 2.5 range.
I think he better sigm his qualifying offer or be prepared to sit at home as a holdout.

Why would the Rangers pay Dubinsky more then the have to?
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unfortunantly with the rangers cap situation Dubinsky could not get anything more than 2.

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I think he better sigm his qualifying offer or be prepared to sit at home as a holdout.

Why would the Rangers pay Dubinsky more then the have to?
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As good faith, it is time to show that the Rangers are serious about going young and sticking with them. There is no need to give him a max contract but don't just sign him to his minimum offer becasue Glen can. Give him a nice deal shake his hand say keep up the good work and all is well.

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I think he better sigm his qualifying offer or be prepared to sit at home as a holdout.

Why would the Rangers pay Dubinsky more then the have to?
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Well to compare...
Reg Career
Callahan - 147-34-25-59 = 0.401 ppg
Dubinsky - 170-27-54-81 = 0.476 ppg

Playoff Career
Callahan - 27-6-3-9 = 0.333
Dubinsky - 17-5-7-12 = 0.706

08-09 Reg
Callahan - 81-22-18-40 +7 TOI: 17:03 TOIPP: 1:30 PPG: 2 PPP: 4 TOISH: 1:48 SHG: 1 SHP: 1

Dubinsky - 82-13-28-41 -6 TOI: 16:38 TOIPP: 2:16 PPG: 3 PPP: 8 TOISH: 0:59 SHG: 1 SHP: 2

08-09 Playoffs
Callahan - 7-2-0-2
Dubinsky - 7-1-3-4

etc. etc...

Both players are very similar and Dubinsky is actually slightly better in most categories. The only arguments that you can make against Dubinsky are that he played with Jagr for most of a season and that last season his regular season numbers were partially inflated by a phenomenal first few weeks. In addition, more than likely Dubinsky is going to be this team's #1 center next season (unless a trade is made). Either way, I don't see why Dubinsky wouldn't get around the same if not a bit more money.

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i can't see him getting more than cally...but i don't know hsit..wishful thinking i guess

however, the best thing Dubinisky did for this offseason was not break out last season

if he had, we would be in a lot worse shape then we are now cause im sure he would get offer sheets

hopefully he gets a contract like cally...in the 2mil range for multiple years but short enough that hes still a RFA when its done

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i guess cally filing for arbitration would put him in a position to get more money

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As good faith, it is time to show that the Rangers are serious about going young and sticking with them. There is no need to give him a max contract but don't just sign him to his minimum offer becasue Glen can. Give him a nice deal shake his hand say keep up the good work and all is well.
Good faith? Please save it...will Dubinsky return the favor in 3 years? No and he shouldn't. The fact is Dubinsky has no leverage and the Rangers don't have the cap space to be charitable. Dubinsky has to wait until next year to get his money and that's a good thing.
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Well to compare...
Reg Career
Callahan - 147-34-25-59 = 0.401 ppg
Dubinsky - 170-27-54-81 = 0.476 ppg

Playoff Career
Callahan - 27-6-3-9 = 0.333
Dubinsky - 17-5-7-12 = 0.706

08-09 Reg
Callahan - 81-22-18-40 +7 TOI: 17:03 TOIPP: 1:30 PPG: 2 PPP: 4 TOISH: 1:48 SHG: 1 SHP: 1

Dubinsky - 82-13-28-41 -6 TOI: 16:38 TOIPP: 2:16 PPG: 3 PPP: 8 TOISH: 0:59 SHG: 1 SHP: 2

08-09 Playoffs
Callahan - 7-2-0-2
Dubinsky - 7-1-3-4

etc. etc...

Both players are very similar and Dubinsky is actually slightly better in most categories. The only arguments that you can make against Dubinsky are that he played with Jagr for most of a season and that last season his regular season numbers were partially inflated by a phenomenal first few weeks. In addition, more than likely Dubinsky is going to be this team's #1 center next season (unless a trade is made). Either way, I don't see why Dubinsky wouldn't get around the same if not a bit more money.
How bout the argument that stats don't matter in this right now. Dubinsky should sign his qualifying offer because after tomorrow the Rangers can lower it to whatever they want. Dubinsky can't go to arbitration all he can do is sit home or hope another team will sign him to a unlikely offer sheet. The Rangers should use this leverage to get the best deal possible for the team. This is Dubinskys last "cheap" year and the Rangers would be morons to use Callahan as a comparable player.
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Isn't it wishful thinking to suppose that Dubinsky sees Callahan as a comparable?

To me Dubinsky's ceiling is much higher, and apart from having been a 40+ point player two years in a row rather than just one year, while being a full year younger, Dubinsky also has 12 points in 19 playoff games with 5 goals. Callahan has 6 points with 4 goals in the same number of games.

You are mistaken in their Playoff stats.

Dubinsky:

Total NHL Playoff Games: 17

Goals: 5

Assists 7

Total Career NHL Playoff Points: 12


Callahan:

Total NHL Playoff Games: 27

Goals: 6

Assists 3

Total Career NHL Playoff Points: 9

Dubinsky has 3 more total Playoff points in 10 less Playoff games.

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How bout the argument that stats don't matter in this right now. Dubinsky should sign his qualifying offer because after tomorrow the Rangers can lower it to whatever they want. Dubinsky can't go to arbitration all he can do is sit home or hope another team will sign him to a unlikely offer sheet. The Rangers should use this leverage to get the best deal possible for the team. This is Dubinskys last "cheap" year and the Rangers would be morons to use Callahan as a comparable player.
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Well how about the argument on Dubinsky's side that the Rangers need him possibly more than he needs them? Are we really going to have Drury play #1 center and a rookie (Anisimov) play #2? Unless Sather has some magic left to trade for a #1 center, then Dubinsky is your guy. Stats always make a difference in contract negotiations. Dubinsky isn't going to take 600-700K. You think a team wouldn't offer him 1.5M-2.5M? I'd gladly give up a 2nd round pick for Dubinsky.

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i think we could all benifit from a clarification of exaclty where dubinsky stands right now

what options/power does he actually have?
what options do the rangers have?
what was his QO, when does he have to sign it, and what happens if he doesn't?
when will he become a UFA?

is there anyone who can answer those? i could look it up i suppose but that would just be wasting more of your tax dollars! (govnerment job)

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