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07-15-2009, 06:45 PM
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Cost for Sharp...

What would be the cost(Roster, Picks, Prospects) for Patrick Sharp? Now before I'm accused of the "you need to dump salary, you're over the cap; you have to sign Toews and Kane next year blah blah" this a need for need question.

The Sabres need an offensive blue liner(-and no we can't take his salary on) and depth down the middle.

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What would be the cost(Roster, Picks, Prospects) for Patrick Sharp? Now before I'm accused of the "you need to dump salary, you're over the cap; you have to sign Toews and Kane next year blah blah" this a need for need question.

The Sabres need an offensive blue liner(-and no we can't take his salary on) and depth down the middle.
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Vanek makes 7m/yr.

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Vanek makes 7m/yr.
We don't seem to care much about the salary cap now do we?

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Idea is to cut salary in some way not take it on.

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Tom Gilbert from Edmonton is big!

(except he plays like he's 5'5)

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I think Sharp would fetch a 1st rounder and mid level prospect or a top prospect and mid rounder.

Trading Sharp would be a worst case scenario for Chicago. They would trade guys like Byfuglien and Versteeg long before they had to deal Sharp.

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I actually think Buff has the potential to be worth way more than Sharp to us. I seem to be in the minority.

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Minnesota Wild fan here, didn't want to bog down your team site with more questions on players you might trade so I thought I would jump into this thread and ask. What are Byfuglien's abilities on the ice, I think I've got a handle on his ability based on what I've read online today but I thought I would ask you guys too. Mostly I want to know, aside from all his other assets, what kind of fighter he is? He is very big and seems very physical but can he fight? Also what would Chicago want back in return for him and would Chicago need a fighter if they lost him? Thanks for any help.

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Tyler Myers and #1

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Okay, I love Sharp as much as any non-Hawks fan, but that's ludicrous. Good luck with that.

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Okay, I love Sharp as much as any non-Hawks fan, but that's ludicrous. Good luck with that.
Is it really ludicrous? Proven 30+ goal scorers don't grow on trees. How many are there avaliable. Most higher level/salary RFAs will command 4 #1 picks for compensation.

Myers will be a +1 dman? Perhaps. Looks pretty good so far. Not ludicrous by any means.

That said, Buffalo doesn't do it. Don't care. I'm not in the fire sale mode.

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Is it really ludicrous? Proven 30+ goal scorers don't grow on trees. How many are there avaliable. Most higher level/salary RFAs will command 4 #1 picks for compensation.

Myers will be a +1 dman? Perhaps. Looks pretty good so far. Not ludicrous by any means.

That said, Buffalo doesn't do it. Don't care. I'm not in the fire sale mode.
Seems steep to me, yeah. Doesn't matter anyway, Bowman and co. will trade Byfuglien and Barker before Sharp and Versteeg I would presume.

If not, I'd offer Anton Volchenkov...albeit begrudgingly.

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Seems steep to me, yeah. Doesn't matter anyway, Bowman and co. will trade Byfuglien and Barker before Sharp and Versteeg I would presume.

If not, I'd offer Anton Volchenkov...albeit begrudgingly.
See...I like Volchenkov a LOT. Who do you want for him? Sharp or Byfuglien? We have some nice d-men...but I don't think any of them are the type of guy Volchenkov is.

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Seems steep to me, yeah. Doesn't matter anyway, Bowman and co. will trade Byfuglien and Barker before Sharp and Versteeg I would presume.

If not, I'd offer Anton Volchenkov...albeit begrudgingly.

And I would take that in a heartbeat. He is EXACTLY the medicine the dr ordered. Love Sharp et al, but Volch=exactly the player we need.
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Would it not make sense to package Sharp and Crawford for Harding?

that way you have Huet and Harding and shed some cap

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I'd take Myers for Sharp even up.

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Hi hawks fans ! Just wondering, just for talkings, how do you guys feel about reunite Kane and Sergei Kostitsyn, former dominant London Knights teammates? Then how about S.K + 2nd pick for Sharp. Is it enough do you think or does habs need to put more on the table ?

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You can cross Myers off your wishlist.

As a Sabres fan, we'd be interested both Barker and Sharp.

You want a young physical d-man? Take Mike Weber into consideration. Want another puck mover? What about Sekera? Our 1st rounder next year? If we can get both. What about a good young winger. Drew Stafford anyone?

My proposal:

To Buffalo: Sharp, Barker (around 7 million total)
To Chicago: Tallinder (2.6 and comes off books next year), Weber (750k), Stafford (RFA), and a 1st next year.

Assuming a 2.5 million contract for Stafford, you save around 2 million on the cap this year and a 4.5 million next year.

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Would Chicago consider trading Sharp and Skille for a high 2nd, a mid-to-low 2nd, a good (not blue-chip, but good) prospect, a #6 d-man on a 1-year contract, and possibly another prospect (mid-to-lower quality)?

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Would Chicago consider trading Sharp and Skille for a high 2nd, a mid-to-low 2nd, a good (not blue-chip, but good) prospect, a #6 d-man on a 1-year contract, and possibly another prospect (mid-to-lower quality)?


Want us to throw in Barker and our third rd. pick while you are at it?

This 'Hawks are in a fire sale, let's go bend them over a stump' crap is old.

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Want us to throw in Barker and our third rd. pick while you are at it?

This 'Hawks are in a fire sale, let's go bend them over a stump' crap is old.
So what do you think Sharp is worth? You're not going to get a 1st round pick from a team like Toronto or the Islanders. They may have the cap space, but they aren't going to give up possibly a top 5 pick. You can't take hardly any salary back, so a lot of teams that would want him but couldn't take him without sending cap back are out of the question. You're not likely to get a really blue-chip prospect from anyone, not with the cap probably going down next year. And the teams that have the most good prospects are likely in rebuilding mode, or on internal budgets, and aren't likely to take on his salary.

So it comes down to this question. Given the realistic expectations of the current trade market:
- 10 teams with insufficient space to take his salary without moving other players
- Chicago unable take virtually any salary back. And I'm presuming they would want none back.
- The teams with the most cap space are in rebuild mode and are unlikely to trade their top prospects, even if they have the room under their internal budget

Given all that, what do you honestly think you could get for Sharp if he is the player moved? I really want to know what you think the Hawks can honestly get in the current market.

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We will get what we want or we will keep him and make another run at the Cup, something most the teams who's fans are offering garbage from are nowhere near contending for.

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We will get what we want or we will keep him and make another run at the Cup, something most the teams who's fans are offering garbage from are nowhere near contending for.
Fine..... yada yada yada. Us Sharks fans get the same thing with the constant offers of Marleau or Michalek for some 3rd-liner and a pick. I'm trying to honestly figure out what it would take Chicago to move him. There are market constraints. You seem to have a lot depth down the right-side locked up long-term. You have upcoming RFA issues. So do a lot of other teams. What do you realistically think Chicago would accept as a trade for Sharp? You can say a 1st round pick or a top prospect, but those are unlikely from most teams. You can hold onto him and try to trade him next year, but if the cap takes a steep drop, your return for him is likely to go significantly down.

I'm just looking for an honest, well thought-out answer.

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Well every GM in the league knows the situation the hawks are in so its going to be tough to get fair value imo.

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