HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Rangers trade Brian Fahey for Nigel Williams

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-16-2009, 10:46 PM
  #101
Thirty One
portnor, pls
 
Thirty One's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Victoria, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,688
vCash: 420
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYLine24 View Post
Very good chance? C'on, that is WAY to soon to even speculate. He had a solid (not great by any means) first pro seasons and he's made some decent strides in that time. You said it yourself also, he's a project.
and like most projects, I'd say there's a very good chance he doesn't play in the NHL. nothing wrong with that, especially considering what was traded to get Williams.

Thirty One is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 10:47 PM
  #102
bobbop
Henrik's Pop
 
bobbop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Suburban Phoenix
Country: United States
Posts: 4,842
vCash: 500
Give Sather credit. He and his staff they are always looking for players -- Soryal, Chappel, Williams, Girardi, Gilroy -- and many others. Having the ability to spend money, even on prospects and suspects is a big advantage.

bobbop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 10:47 PM
  #103
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,770
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by -31- View Post
and like most projects, I'd say there's a very good chance he doesn't play in the NHL. nothing wrong with that, especially considering what was traded to get Williams.
Exactly. You make this trade every time...and if you have the opportunity to make it enough times eventually you get a steal.

broadwayblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 10:48 PM
  #104
dedalus
Registered User
 
dedalus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 7,215
vCash: 500
Meh. Many of these same words were written when Sather acquired Bourret for Dupuis and a 3rd. ("What steal!" "What was Atlanta THINKING???")

History seems to have shown that Atlanta knew their man better than Sather. (The upside is that we at least recouped the 3rd rounder.) I'll withhold judgment on Sather's genius, but there's certainly nothing wrong with dealing an aging AHLer for a prospect, even a marginal one.

dedalus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 10:53 PM
  #105
Son of Steinbrenner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Country: Tromelin
Posts: 9,559
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dedalus View Post
Meh. Many of these same words were written when Sather acquired Bourret for Dupuis and a 3rd. ("What steal!" "What was Atlanta THINKING???")

History seems to have shown that Atlanta knew their man better than Sather. (The upside is that we at least recouped the 3rd rounder.) I'll withhold judgment on Sather's genius, but there's certainly nothing wrong with dealing an aging AHLer for a prospect, even a marginal one.
This player could easily and is likely to be another David Liffiton, a depth defenseman in the AHL, a former 2nd round pick, traded to the Rangers from the Avs.

Son of Steinbrenner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 10:56 PM
  #106
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,770
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Steinbrenner View Post
This player could easily and is likely to be another David Liffiton, a depth defenseman in the AHL, a former 2nd round pick, traded to the Rangers from the Avs.
True, but isn't that pretty much what we gave up to acquire him?

broadwayblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 10:57 PM
  #107
BrooklynRangersFan
Change is good.
 
BrooklynRangersFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brooklyn of course
Country: United States
Posts: 10,563
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dedalus View Post
Meh. Many of these same words were written when Sather acquired Bourret for Dupuis and a 3rd. ("What steal!" "What was Atlanta THINKING???")

History seems to have shown that Atlanta knew their man better than Sather. (The upside is that we at least recouped the 3rd rounder.) I'll withhold judgment on Sather's genius, but there's certainly nothing wrong with dealing an aging AHLer for a prospect, even a marginal one.
Oh, c'mon, are you really trying to tell me that we got "robbed" of Pascal Dupuis? Please.

I will take the chance on giving up the certain bottom of the roster mediocrity of Dupuis for the possible top of the roster brilliance of Bourret - or in this case, Williams - every freaking time. It's not even a question.

BrooklynRangersFan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 10:58 PM
  #108
McRanger
Registered User
 
McRanger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,792
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Steinbrenner View Post
This player could easily and is likely to be another David Liffiton, a depth defenseman in the AHL, a former 2nd round pick, traded to the Rangers from the Avs.
Which would be an upgrade over fahey. Any way you slice it this is a good deal.

McRanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:01 PM
  #109
Edge
Registered User
 
Edge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Sin City
Country: United States
Posts: 13,196
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYLine24 View Post
Very good chance? C'on, that is WAY to soon to even speculate. He had a solid (not great by any means) first pro seasons and he's made some decent strides in that time. You said it yourself also, he's a project.

How Sather got him for a nobody is beyond me. You never give up on a prospect that early, especially a project.

Hell if he turns into a good defensive damn (4/5 in the NHL) that alone is huge for us, gave up nobody and now we have a decent trading chip on the table. His potential is even higher, but that is a long shot, but it is there...
Not really, that's always been the case with Williams, even before he was drafted. He's a very raw talent who has a very high "bust" rate, but the potential to have a big nasty defenseman is appealing.

Simply put, this kid is RAW. He's come a long way very fast, but he also has a long way to go as well. This is a kid who you leave in the minor for several years and let him cook. And even than, I'd say he hs a very high probability of failure.

But again, when you're talking about giving Fahey for him, it's a can't lose situation. Even if he busts, he's worth at least taking a chance on.

Edge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:03 PM
  #110
Son of Steinbrenner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Country: Tromelin
Posts: 9,559
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by McRanger View Post
Which would be an upgrade over fahey. Any way you slice it this is a good deal.

I never said it was a bad deal.....

Son of Steinbrenner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:03 PM
  #111
Edge
Registered User
 
Edge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Sin City
Country: United States
Posts: 13,196
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Steinbrenner View Post
This player could easily and is likely to be another David Liffiton, a depth defenseman in the AHL, a former 2nd round pick, traded to the Rangers from the Avs.
Very true.

Having said that, for Brian Fahey, I can't complain.

Edge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:12 PM
  #112
FLYLine24
The Mac Truck
 
FLYLine24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NY
Country: United States
Posts: 29,969
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edge View Post
Not really, that's always been the case with Williams, even before he was drafted. He's a very raw talent who has a very high "bust" rate, but the potential to have a big nasty defenseman is appealing.

Simply put, this kid is RAW. He's come a long way very fast, but he also has a long way to go as well. This is a kid who you leave in the minor for several years and let him cook. And even than, I'd say he hs a very high probability of failure.

But again, when you're talking about giving Fahey for him, it's a can't lose situation. Even if he busts, he's worth at least taking a chance on.
Exactly, the fact he's come a long way very fast...is the reason im so excited for this. Hes a project all right, but he's making all the steps that IMO look like he will reach his goal...or I hope anyway.


Trust me, on draft day in 06...I thought he was the most overrated dman(the fact he was projected 1st round)...but since we got him for nothing, im excited...very excited..who knows what will happen.

FLYLine24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:15 PM
  #113
I Am Chariot
One shift at a time
 
I Am Chariot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 14,526
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbop View Post
Give Sather credit. He and his staff they are always looking for players -- Soryal, Chappel, Williams, Girardi, Gilroy -- and many others. Having the ability to spend money, even on prospects and suspects is a big advantage.
The Rangers have eyes everywhere

__________________
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I Am Chariot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:18 PM
  #114
jas
Unsatisfied
 
jas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NJ
Posts: 13,221
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dedalus View Post
Meh. Many of these same words were written when Sather acquired Bourret for Dupuis and a 3rd. ("What steal!" "What was Atlanta THINKING???")

History seems to have shown that Atlanta knew their man better than Sather. (The upside is that we at least recouped the 3rd rounder.) I'll withhold judgment on Sather's genius, but there's certainly nothing wrong with dealing an aging AHLer for a prospect, even a marginal one.

Okay...but AT LEAST Dupuis was a legitimate NHL player...Fahey is a journeyman AHL D-man...a dime a dozen type...you would think Williams has more value than that.

jas is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:27 PM
  #115
Richter35
Registered User
 
Richter35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,362
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jas View Post
Okay...but AT LEAST Dupuis was a legitimate NHL player...Fahey is a journeyman AHL D-man...a dime a dozen type...you would think Williams has more value than that.
well just to add, i'd like to point out that bourret was later traded for the pick that became kundratek. not exactly poor asset management if you ask me.

Richter35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:27 PM
  #116
vipernsx
Flatus Expeller
 
vipernsx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: United States
Posts: 6,525
vCash: 500
You gotta love this deal. A career AHLer into a kid who's still a prospect.....man Slats is good with trades.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
on the prospect side it's tough to say it's the best in the league from top to bottom when there's no bona #1 in the group. Nice group on paper, but young and raw and I don't know if there's a sure-fire guy in the group.
That might change with McDonagh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson Devil View Post
You're not the only one.
Oh he's definitely got something. I can't wait to see what he turns Zherdev into.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarkko Immonen View Post
Pleaseee move Sangs/Potter

Sauer is the keeper IMO
I'm with you on Sauer. I think he's going to win a job out of camp. If it weren't for injuries, he would have been a first rounder. Another guy who slid from the 1st round and the Rangers were able to pickup later in the draft. Sangs is a defenseman and IMO defenseman need to know how to play defense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hockeyviper87 View Post
WOW! I dont know what has happened to Sather but my goodness. Keep it up Slats, IMo the Rangers now have the best defensive prospect group in the entire league.
At the very least, the deepest.

vipernsx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:31 PM
  #117
mschmidt64
Registered User
 
mschmidt64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 833
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by t3hg00se View Post
wtf Glen? You're an animal.
I'll call him an animal when he moves Roszival or Redden in a deal for a #1 center.

mschmidt64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:36 PM
  #118
vipernsx
Flatus Expeller
 
vipernsx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: United States
Posts: 6,525
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion View Post
I have this weird feeling Girardi is getting moved.
It's a good possibility but Slats has been so surprising lately, the only thing clear seems to be that Zherdev will be gone, what else/who else, only Slats and I'm sure Torts knows.

vipernsx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:42 PM
  #119
Jarkko Immonen
#42 Artem Anisimov
 
Jarkko Immonen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Connecticut
Country: United States
Posts: 3,136
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Jarkko Immonen
Williams could end up lousy and this would still be an amazing trade.

Jarkko Immonen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:47 PM
  #120
EvilCorporateLawyer
Very slippery slope
 
EvilCorporateLawyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Country Roads
Country: United States
Posts: 75,166
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to EvilCorporateLawyer
NO.

NO.

NOOOOOOOOOOO.

I ****ing HATE Nigel Williams!!! UGH.

__________________
"Of course giving Sather cap space is like giving teenagers whiskey and car keys." - SBOB
"Watching Sather build a team is like watching a blind man with no fingers trying to put together an elaborate puzzle." - Shadowtron
"Used to be only Twinkies and cockroaches could survive a nuke. I'd add Habs to that. I'm convinced the CH stands for Club du Hypocrisy." - Gee Wally
EvilCorporateLawyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:56 PM
  #121
Kovy274Hart
Registered User
 
Kovy274Hart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Shaolin
Country: United States
Posts: 1,498
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Kovy274Hart
On the level, it sounds good. But why would the Avs give Williams away. Let's not forget that Fahey got screwed over last yr after outplaying Kalinin. Somehow, they went with only 6 D. Now, he'll go home and maybe get a shot. I hope he does.

Kovy274Hart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:56 PM
  #122
BlueShirts702
Registered User
 
BlueShirts702's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: City of Sin
Country: United States
Posts: 1,256
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan. View Post
NO.

NO.

NOOOOOOOOOOO.

I ****ing HATE Nigel Williams!!! UGH.

Ha! What's the deal with that? Why do you hate him?

BlueShirts702 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-16-2009, 11:59 PM
  #123
Rangerfan4life90
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: College Point, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,682
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan. View Post
NO.

NO.

NOOOOOOOOOOO.

I ****ing HATE Nigel Williams!!! UGH.
With what we gave up NOBODY should hate anything

Rangerfan4life90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2009, 12:01 AM
  #124
FLYLine24
The Mac Truck
 
FLYLine24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NY
Country: United States
Posts: 29,969
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan. View Post
NO.

NO.

NOOOOOOOOOOO.

I ****ing HATE Nigel Williams!!! UGH.

Now repost:


You gave up NOBODY for him...

Thoughts?

FLYLine24 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2009, 12:03 AM
  #125
EvilCorporateLawyer
Very slippery slope
 
EvilCorporateLawyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Country Roads
Country: United States
Posts: 75,166
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to EvilCorporateLawyer
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYLine24 View Post
Now repost:


You gave up NOBODY for him...

Thoughts?
I would rather give up my first born than have this entitled, lazy piece of **** on this team.

This guy had the worst attitude I have ever seen in a prospect his draft year. I could care less if he's turned it around some. **** him. Dude is a complete ****** and deserves nothing. I hate the guy with a passion as a prospect.

EvilCorporateLawyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:49 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.