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07-18-2009, 02:39 AM
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Yeah, book it.
Hossa's defensive game makes up for any point difference that may exist between the two. So, unless Havlat blows Hossa's point total out of the water (which appears to be very unlikely), Hossa will still be better.

Aside from his bad playoff last year, there's no reason to believe Hossa isn't the superior player.

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Huet will be the starter in Chicago next season..

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what do you mean bounce-back? His play last year wasn't far off from his career highs. Huet has never played more than 42 games. I don't think he's capable of much more than he has already showed in Chicago.
He needs a break-out year if anything.

You might want to check (recheck) your stats. 2007/2008 in particular

(HINT) He played 52 games plus playoffs.

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Hossa's defensive game makes up for any point difference that may exist between the two. So, unless Havlat blows Hossa's point total out of the water (which appears to be very unlikely), Hossa will still be better.

Aside from his bad playoff last year, there's no reason to believe Hossa isn't the superior player.
If you weren't paying attention you might have missed the fact that Havlat plays one hell of a defensive game too. He was a +22 to Hossa's +26 last year while facing tougher competition (a QUALCOMP of 0.05 to Hossa's 0.02).

And none of this started until he got fully healthy which was about one third of the way through the season. In the second half of the season, once the Hawks' main line was put together, he played against competition similar to Dave Bolland (.08) and Andrew Ladd (.11) while significantly outscoring Hossa (if I remember correctly, I did this once before, I'll do it again).

From a risk / reward perspective, I find it hard to complain about the Havlat / Hossa swap but, excluding injury risk, I have no problem saying Havlat is the better player. Minnesota fans are going to love the guy.

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with chicago's stockpile of skaters, i figure they're the frontrunners to grab their choice of the usual suspects of would-be #1 goalies, should they want one.

i'm one of those keeping an eye on harding because of the Rub-a-Dub signing.

halak, harding, rask, montoya... who else? not sure what anaheim's plans are for hiller.

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This is a team that "almost" made it to the cup last year. They go and let their big goalie walk which I thought was weird. Also, Hossa is not all that amazing in the playoffs as we have seen. I am afraid for what may happen to the young hawks this upcoming season, also with Havlat gone.


So do they make a move to get a goalie or do they go with huet??? I do NOT think Huet is capable to do really anything as far as getting them deep into the playoffs.

But I do not see a trade happening because they cannot afford to tear apart last years team anymore than they have.

I see the hawks suffering because of this.....
With Huet in net--enless they find a team to take his contract--they got their pony

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07-18-2009, 08:02 AM
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You might want to check (recheck) your stats. 2007/2008 in particular

(HINT) He played 52 games plus playoffs.
My point exactly. People need to go look at his stats prior to spewing garbage about how awful he is. Statistically he is one of the best goalies in the league post lockout. Seriously I implore all the doubters to go take a look. He is top 5 in almost every category (top 10 in the others). The only thing I question is his durability as he has had a couple of injuries. He also has played in some goalie rotations similar to last season that has limited his amount of games.


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07-18-2009, 08:03 AM
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3 way trade between Hawks, Sens and Habs solves things (Posted it in other thread)

To Hawks
D Anton Volchenkov
G Jarsolav Halak

To Senators
LW/RW Kris Versteeg
Leafs or Flames 2nd in 2010

To Habs
RW Troy Brouwer
G Corey Craford/Antti Niemi
Hawks 3rd round pick in 2010

Hawks get a good defensive dman and good 1b goalie. Sens get a young top 6 forward and a good pick. Habs get a young PF with size, a solid young backup and a solid pick
This actually is one of the best trade offers I've seen. I would do it.

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07-18-2009, 08:17 AM
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Here are the aggregate save pct. numbers over the past 4 seasons:

Player Total Sv.%
Niklas Backstrom 0.92302799
Tomas Vokoun 0.920827098
Cristobal Huet 0.918677753
Jonas Hiller 0.918652424
Tim Thomas 0.918465952
Roberto Luongo 0.917841517
Scott Clemmensen 0.917398946
Martin Brodeur 0.917333701
Pekka Rinne 0.917073171
Henrik Lundqvist 0.916597625
Ty Conklin 0.915933529
Steve Mason 0.915560917
Manny Fernandez 0.914630722
Jaroslav Halak 0.91457753
Dominik Hasek 0.914438503
Jonathan Quick 0.914166667
Jean-Sebastien Giguere 0.913480885
Chris Mason 0.913428431
Dan Ellis 0.913270142
Miikka Kiprusoff 0.912059104
Martin Biron 0.912042819
Carey Price 0.911985689
Ryan Miller 0.911981119
Ilya Bryzgalov 0.911562021
Kari Lehtonen 0.911445013
Pascal Leclaire 0.911155982
Yann Danis 0.909967846
Mike Smith 0.909859155
Dwayne Roloson 0.909119398
Josh Harding 0.908114558
Marc-Andre Fleury 0.90803485
Craig Anderson 0.907727797
Manny Legace 0.907344871
Ray Emery 0.907239819
Rick Dipietro 0.90715456
Martin Gerber 0.906726275
Evgeni Nabokov 0.905673274
Jason LaBarbera 0.904920459
Nikolai Khabibulin 0.903518124
Marty Turco 0.903480071

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Yeah, book it.
You're the reason why Dave Tallon was fired.

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Halak and Huet was tried as a goalie duo before...didn't work.

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My point exactly. People need to go look at his stats prior to spewing garbage about how awful he is. Statistically he is one of the best goalies in the league post lockout. Seriously I implore all the doubters to go take a look. He is top 5 in almost every category (top 10 in the others). The only thing I question is his durability as he has had a couple of injuries. He also has played in some goalie rotations similar to last season that has limited his amount of games.
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Here are the aggregate save pct. numbers over the past 4 seasons:

Player Total Sv.%
Niklas Backstrom 0.92302799
Tomas Vokoun 0.920827098
Cristobal Huet 0.918677753
Jonas Hiller 0.918652424
Tim Thomas 0.918465952
Roberto Luongo 0.917841517
Scott Clemmensen 0.917398946
Martin Brodeur 0.917333701
Pekka Rinne 0.917073171
Henrik Lundqvist 0.916597625
Ty Conklin 0.915933529
Steve Mason 0.915560917
Manny Fernandez 0.914630722
Jaroslav Halak 0.91457753
Dominik Hasek 0.914438503
Jonathan Quick 0.914166667
Jean-Sebastien Giguere 0.913480885
Chris Mason 0.913428431
Dan Ellis 0.913270142
Miikka Kiprusoff 0.912059104
Martin Biron 0.912042819
Carey Price 0.911985689
Ryan Miller 0.911981119
Ilya Bryzgalov 0.911562021
Kari Lehtonen 0.911445013
Pascal Leclaire 0.911155982
Yann Danis 0.909967846
Mike Smith 0.909859155
Dwayne Roloson 0.909119398
Josh Harding 0.908114558
Marc-Andre Fleury 0.90803485
Craig Anderson 0.907727797
Manny Legace 0.907344871
Ray Emery 0.907239819
Rick Dipietro 0.90715456
Martin Gerber 0.906726275
Evgeni Nabokov 0.905673274
Jason LaBarbera 0.904920459
Nikolai Khabibulin 0.903518124
Marty Turco 0.903480071


Huet just had the worst season (.909 SV%) of his career but still way better than Khabibulin in his first season (.886 SV%) with the Hawks. How quickly people forget and only judge a player according to his cap hit.

Huet was the only reason the Canadiens made the playoffs in 2005-2006 and he more than helped the Caps to make them in 2007-2008 (11-2 and .936 SV%) when the Caps needed a miraculous push.

Huet career stats :

103 W 76 L 11 T 17 OTL 2.45 GAA .917 SV % 20 SO

- Won the Roger Crozier Award in 2005-2006
- All-star game in 2006-2007

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Here are the aggregate save pct. numbers over the past 4 seasons:

Player Total Sv.%
Niklas Backstrom 0.92302799
Tomas Vokoun 0.920827098
Cristobal Huet 0.918677753
Jonas Hiller 0.918652424
Tim Thomas 0.918465952
Roberto Luongo 0.917841517
Scott Clemmensen 0.917398946
Martin Brodeur 0.917333701
Pekka Rinne 0.917073171
Henrik Lundqvist 0.916597625
Ty Conklin 0.915933529
Steve Mason 0.915560917
Manny Fernandez 0.914630722
Jaroslav Halak 0.91457753
Dominik Hasek 0.914438503
Jonathan Quick 0.914166667
Jean-Sebastien Giguere 0.913480885
Chris Mason 0.913428431
Dan Ellis 0.913270142
Miikka Kiprusoff 0.912059104
Martin Biron 0.912042819
Carey Price 0.911985689
Ryan Miller 0.911981119
Ilya Bryzgalov 0.911562021
Kari Lehtonen 0.911445013
Pascal Leclaire 0.911155982
Yann Danis 0.909967846
Mike Smith 0.909859155
Dwayne Roloson 0.909119398
Josh Harding 0.908114558
Marc-Andre Fleury 0.90803485
Craig Anderson 0.907727797
Manny Legace 0.907344871
Ray Emery 0.907239819
Rick Dipietro 0.90715456
Martin Gerber 0.906726275
Evgeni Nabokov 0.905673274
Jason LaBarbera 0.904920459
Nikolai Khabibulin 0.903518124
Marty Turco 0.903480071
Wow Huet is better than Luongo and Brodeur! Plan the Parade. Lies, damm lies and statistics!

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Wow Huet is better than Luongo and Brodeur! Plan the Parade. Lies, damm lies and statistics!
No one said that. Then again tell me what those two won over those 4 seasons?


I'll wait......



The moral of this story is simple, Huet is better than most give him credit for.

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People seem to forget about Khabby's injury problems.

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Huet just had the worst season (.909 SV%) of his career but still way better than Khabibulin in his first season (.886 SV%) with the Hawks. How quickly people forget and only judge a player according to his cap hit.

Huet was the only reason the Canadiens made the playoffs in 2005-2006 and he more than helped the Caps to make them in 2007-2008 (11-2 and .936 SV%) when the Caps needed a miraculous push.

Huet career stats :

103 W 76 L 11 T 17 OTL 2.45 GAA .917 SV % 20 SO

- Won the Roger Crozier Award in 2005-2006
- All-star game in 2006-2007
On paper Huet is top 10, the only issue is he's inconsistent, if it wasn't for that he would be an elite goalie.

Huet is more then capable to backstop the Hawks, with out a doubt in my mind at least.

The Hawks got way better defensively with the signings of Hossa, Kopecky and Madden.

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On paper Huet is top 10, the only issue is he's inconsistent, if it wasn't for that he would be an elite goalie.

Huet is more then capable to backstop the Hawks, with out a doubt in my mind at least.

The Hawks got way better defensively with the signings of Hossa, Kopecky and Madden.
The only thing elite about Huet is his pay check.


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Here are the aggregate save pct. numbers over the past 4 seasons:

Player Total Sv.%
Niklas Backstrom 0.92302799
Tomas Vokoun 0.920827098
Cristobal Huet 0.918677753
Jonas Hiller 0.918652424
Tim Thomas 0.918465952
Roberto Luongo 0.917841517
Scott Clemmensen 0.917398946
Martin Brodeur 0.917333701
Pekka Rinne 0.917073171
Henrik Lundqvist 0.916597625
Ty Conklin 0.915933529
Steve Mason 0.915560917
Manny Fernandez 0.914630722
Jaroslav Halak 0.91457753
Dominik Hasek 0.914438503
Jonathan Quick 0.914166667
Jean-Sebastien Giguere 0.913480885
Chris Mason 0.913428431
Dan Ellis 0.913270142
Miikka Kiprusoff 0.912059104
Martin Biron 0.912042819
Carey Price 0.911985689
Ryan Miller 0.911981119
Ilya Bryzgalov 0.911562021
Kari Lehtonen 0.911445013
Pascal Leclaire 0.911155982
Yann Danis 0.909967846
Mike Smith 0.909859155
Dwayne Roloson 0.909119398
Josh Harding 0.908114558
Marc-Andre Fleury 0.90803485
Craig Anderson 0.907727797
Manny Legace 0.907344871
Ray Emery 0.907239819
Rick Dipietro 0.90715456
Martin Gerber 0.906726275
Evgeni Nabokov 0.905673274
Jason LaBarbera 0.904920459
Nikolai Khabibulin 0.903518124
Marty Turco 0.903480071
Wait a minute, Huet makes over $5 million. Therefore he is about the 40th best goaltender in the league according to HF

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The only think elite about Huet is his pay check.
If you actually think that then you have no idea what your talking about.

Huet can be an elite goaltender at times but hes inconsistent. When the guy is on his game he could give some of the best the league has ever seen a run for their money. The only difference between an all time great goalie such as Roy and Huet is the fact that Huet is inconsistent. Huet obviously has the tools to be an elite goaltender and anyone who says nay has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

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The problem with Chicago's goaltending is not having Huet as the starter.

The problem with Chicago's goaltending is the combination of Huet as #1 and an unproven back-up as #2.

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If you actually think that then you have no idea what your talking about.

Huet can be an elite goaltender at times but hes inconsistent. When the guy is on his game he could give some of the best the league has ever seen a run for their money. The only difference between an all time great goalie such as Roy and Huet is the fact that Huet is inconsistent. Huet obviously has the tools to be an elite goaltender and anyone who says nay has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
he has played more than 42 games once in his entire career including outside the NHL and he's 33. He still has to prove he can be a full time starter before being considered the next Roy.

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He can't even keep his role as starting goaltender

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Huet can get the job done ... Khabibulin was in a contract year, really the only time he plays like he wants it. He'll suck in Edmonton the next three years and when it finally looks like someone is about to take his spot in his fourth year, he'll play great again.

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he's played more than 42 games once in his entire career including outside the NHL and he's 33. He still has to prove he can be a full time starter.
So? Hes not an injury risk unlike Khabby.

Is Huet the correct choice for the Blackhawks? no, but he is surely the best option.

Name a goalie the Blackhawks could have realistically signed on the FA market that trumps Huet?

If Tallon didn't sign Huet when he did who would the Hawks have in net today? Khabby and his injury problems?

IF Huet wasnt in the picture - I can already see it now, Khabby pulls a groin in December/January and the Hawks have to use the tandem of Crawford and Neimi.

Better yet, I would love for someone to name a goalie besides Huet that is more suitable for the role as a #1 for the Blackhawks? An available goalie.

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He can't even keep his role as starting goaltender
Neither could Grant Fuhr or Andy Moog.

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