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07-20-2009, 10:48 AM
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What do you guys think it would take to get Clutterbuck?
Good attitude, team player, led the league in hits...loves to block shots and fight for his teammates....

i'd say he'd cost us a pretty penny

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What do you guys think it would take to get Clutterbuck?
I don't think that Burke likes those yappy punks, Hollweg was waived as soon as he showed up.

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One thing I think is certain - we gotta trade a D or two at least. Maybe:


Stajan, Frogren, 3rd.

for

Sharp.



Over/under?

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What do you guys think it would take to get Clutterbuck?
Kaberle,3rd 2010

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Clutterbuck,Harding

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07-20-2009, 11:31 AM
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The latest rumour with the Leafs is with Sharp... But San Jose is also Interested in a trade:

How about a three way??? Why not???

To Chicago: Alexei Ponikarovsky, Ian White, Future 2nd from Toronto
To San Jose: Matt Stajan, Patrick Sharp, Lee Stempniak, Jordan Hendry
To Toronto: Patrick Marleau, Jonathon Cheechoo, Dustin Byfuglien

Toronto Loses:
Ponikarovsky
White
Stajan
Stempniak
Future 2nd
=7.205 Mil in Salary

Toronto Gains:
Marleau
Cheechoo
Byfuglien
=12.3 mil

Total Salary Difference:5.095 Mil in Salary Taken on.


San Jose Loses:
Patrick Marleau
Jonathon Cheechoo
= 9.3 Mil in Salary

San Jose Gains:
Matt Stajan
Patrick Sharp
Lee Stempniak
Jordan Hendry
=8.775

San Jose still loses .525 Mil in Salary


Chicago Gains:
Ponikarovsky
Ian White
Future 2nd
=2.905 Mil in Salary

Chicago Loses:
Patrick Sharp
Dustin Byfuglien
Jordan Hendry
= 7.525 Mil in Salary

Chicago Loses 4.62 Mil in Salary

Thoughts?
please no

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07-20-2009, 11:32 AM
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Kaberle,3rd 2010

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Clutterbuck,Harding



That's disgusting.

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07-20-2009, 11:33 AM
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Kaberle,3rd 2010

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I like that, but we got Gusty, no need for harding, maybe Gillies and a 4th rounder instead? But i dont think Minny would trade Clutterbuck,

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How about

Ian White

For

Mason Raymond
3rd Rd Pick

or

Mike Van Ryn
Matt Stajan

for

Brian Rolston
One of Henrique, Halischuk, or Cormier

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I like that, but we got Gusty, no need for harding, maybe Gillies and a 4th rounder instead? But i dont think Minny would trade Clutterbuck,

The only way I would have done this is if we didn't land Gusty.

And take Toronto's 3rd outta there.

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please no
How come? Toronto gets a First line centerman, a 2nd and 3rd line winger, and dumps some of our players off...

I like it :p

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Ian White for Patrick Sharp straight up. Might seem unfair from the Hawks standpoint but it clears some cap room for the Hawks and still get a young top 4 D.

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Ian White for Patrick Sharp straight up. Might seem unfair from the Hawks standpoint but it clears some cap room for the Hawks and still get a young top 4 D.



And then we can trade Frogren for Marleau!


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Would you deal Calgarys first straight up for Stajan?
I'd consider it. Stajan is UFA after this season, but on the other hand, Calgary looks pretty darn good, on paper.
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Thats a bit much IMO.
Maybe Calagaryy's first, and Pheonixes 3rd for Ian White and Matt Stajan.

So Maybe Calgary's 24th Overall Pick (Just a guess), and Pheonix's 70th Overall Pick (Just a guess) for Stajan and White.???
We can't take White. We already have eight defensemen on one-way contracts. Phoenix can't afford to pay NHL salaries to guys in the AHL. Not with our financial situation. Plus, we don't have a third rounder, next season.
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The two players that would interest the Leafs, future centers with top 6 potential.
Phoenix won't be moving either.
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If you want a top pairing defender...
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Kaberle, Stajan

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Mueller, Summers, 1st.
I wouldn't trade Mueller by himself for that. Also, it's a terrible fit for Phoenix. I came in here asking about Stajan. I have ZERO interest in Kaberle.
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Hanzal, 2nd.

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Ponikarovsky, Stajan
Even if you took out our second and added your own, I wouldn't even think about it.

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OKay... then take a prospect like a Rau, Winnet or Frattin with Stajan for the first.

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OKay... then take a prospect like a Rau, Winnet or Frattin with Stajan for the first.
How about that third we're missing?

Really what I was curious about is whether or not there's any kind of good chance that Stajan will be moved before the season, or if everyone is convinced that it'll be the deadline, if at all. Beyond that, I was really just wondering if he could be had for picks and prospects or if Burke would definitely be looking for an NHL replacement. I know it's impossible for you guys to answer with any kind of certainty, but some educated speculation was really my only aim, here.

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Exelby (1.392mil per for one season)
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Brouwer (1mil per for next two seasons)

Hawks fill their need. Leafs add size and potential up front.

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At the moment, I would speculate that Stajan is unlikely to be moved before the season for non-roster return. Our pool of potential NHL-ready centres for October is small as most of the players people would expect to centre our top 2 lines besides Stajan and Grabovski probably won't be ready. We'd be leaving a pretty sizeable hole in our roster to open the season if we traded Stajan for a 2010 pick.

If by some chance we swap defence for a top 6 centre to fill that hole, this probably changes and Burke I think becomes very happy with getting a first round pick for a pending UFA.

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How about that third we're missing?

Really what I was curious about is whether or not there's any kind of good chance that Stajan will be moved before the season, or if everyone is convinced that it'll be the deadline, if at all. Beyond that, I was really just wondering if he could be had for picks and prospects or if Burke would definitely be looking for an NHL replacement. I know it's impossible for you guys to answer with any kind of certainty, but some educated speculation was really my only aim, here.
If Bozak beats him out for #2 then after training camp. If not at the deadline with Bozak being recalled.

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How about that third we're missing?

Really what I was curious about is whether or not there's any kind of good chance that Stajan will be moved before the season, or if everyone is convinced that it'll be the deadline, if at all. Beyond that, I was really just wondering if he could be had for picks and prospects or if Burke would definitely be looking for an NHL replacement. I know it's impossible for you guys to answer with any kind of certainty, but some educated speculation was really my only aim, here.
It could really be either way. Stajan could be gone at the TDL, before the Season, or might not leave at all. I have a feeling that BUrke will be shopping for a number one centerman somehow....Maybe a Marleau or someone else with a large contract.

If Not, He'll likely let Stajan and Grabovski battle out the 2nd line position (Both getting 1st and 2nd line roles)... and whoever loses will get traded at the TDL. But it all really depends on where we are in the Standings at that time.

Many/Most leaf fans feel that Stajan won't be a leaf come October.

I'm pretty sure that Burke would like a couple more Picks for the '10 draft since we're already missing our 2nd and another one I beleive. But would take Prospects as well... most likely NA prospects He won't get an NHL replacment for Stajan straight up IMO, but mgiht package him with an Ian white or someone like that to get an even better forward in Return.

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Thanks, guys. Exactly the type of replies I was looking for.

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At the moment, I would speculate that Stajan is unlikely to be moved before the season for non-roster return. Our pool of potential NHL-ready centres for October is small as most of the players people would expect to centre our top 2 lines besides Stajan and Grabovski probably won't be ready. We'd be leaving a pretty sizeable hole in our roster to open the season if we traded Stajan for a 2010 pick.

If by some chance we swap defence for a top 6 centre to fill that hole, this probably changes and Burke I think becomes very happy with getting a first round pick for a pending UFA.
This is exactly what I was thinking, which is what brought me here. It seems, though, like there are other Leafs fans that aren't all that worried about it. Perhaps there's a widespread expectation that another top six centerman is on the way?

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How about that third we're missing?

Really what I was curious about is whether or not there's any kind of good chance that Stajan will be moved before the season, or if everyone is convinced that it'll be the deadline, if at all. Beyond that, I was really just wondering if he could be had for picks and prospects or if Burke would definitely be looking for an NHL replacement. I know it's impossible for you guys to answer with any kind of certainty, but some educated speculation was really my only aim, here.
You said the Coyotes were looking to get into the playoffs.

You can have Stajan for a 1st. sure, why not.

Don't see how that moves the Coyotes from a lottery team to the playoffs though.

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This is exactly what I was thinking, which is what brought me here. It seems, though, like there are other Leafs fans that aren't all that worried about it. Perhaps there's a widespread expectation that another top six centerman is on the way?
No... Its just that there are a lot of Leaf fans that like to hate on 55 point 2nd liners... In other words, there are a lot of Leaf fans that arn't big fans in Stajan.

But those people know nothin...

Stajan is really the kind of player that does everything well, but not great. This why I don't think he himself can get us a 1st roudn pick and we're more likely to get a high 2nd for him.

He is however no slouch in the defensive side of the rink, and plays all zones well.... He has the ability to develop into a solid 2nd line centerman IMO, but on a cup contending team he be nothing less than a very solid 3rd line centerman or could be a good 2nd line centerman (If the team has good depth)....

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You said the Coyotes were looking to get into the playoffs.

You can have Stajan for a 1st. sure, why not.

Don't see how that moves the Coyotes from a lottery team to the playoffs though.
Look at our record post-deadline. Prime example of addition by subtraction. If Gretzky is out as coach, that's another huge step closer. Stajan is just a guy that's cheap, decent defensively, will typically win as many draws as he loses, and has the ability to get Peter Mueller the puck. I'd like to stick Stajan on a line with Doan and Mueller. Basically as Mueller's own personal assistant. Doan can do what Doan does, all by himself, and always has. Mueller, at this point in his young career, is basically a liability defensively, and doesn't really create his own offense. I look at Stajan's fourty assists and think, now here's a guy who might be able to get Mueller the puck when and where he needs it. Pete has an amazing ability to sneak into the perfect scoring position, and his shot is basically at an elite level. He just needs someone who has the ability to sense when and where to get him the puck, and that has the ability to get it there. If the new guy can also make up for Pete's defensive short-comings and win a couple of draws, that's icing on the cake. Stajan isn't really meant to be the catalyst that takes us to the promised land. Just a nice complimentary player to the guys we already have.

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This is exactly what I was thinking, which is what brought me here. It seems, though, like there are other Leafs fans that aren't all that worried about it. Perhaps there's a widespread expectation that another top six centerman is on the way?
I think some look at the excess of D we have and assume that Burke would not have signed so many free agent defencemen if he did not plan to move one of our existing ones for a centre. Many Leaf fans also seem to (in my mind) underestimate Stajan, and suggest that Bozak could beat him out for the #2 centre spot if we start the season with the same forward roster we have now. I doubt Burke will take that chance by trading Matt.

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