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View Poll Results: Who's the Rangers' top prospect?
Ryan McDonagh 8 4.26%
Bobby Sanguinetti 1 0.53%
Michael Del Zotto 5 2.66%
Chris Kreider 0 0%
Artem Anisimov 98 52.13%
Evgeny Grachev 76 40.43%
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07-18-2009, 05:51 PM
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What is this based on? 80 points in 60 games isn't that spectacular for a 19 year old. If he got that many points 2 years ago, then I'd have agreed with you. Even if he did it in his pre-draft year, I could see a potential argument for it. But in the post-draft year, future stars must get 100 points+.

Do you remember our old prospect Bob Maudie? He had 101 points as a 19 year old and never went anywhere, being unable to establish himself even in the AHL.

His linemate was Hnat Dominechelli who had 148 points (12 points than his linemate Jerome Iginla), but also became a minor leaguer.

I get that stats aren't everything, but elite talent should be able to get 100 points in juniors as a 19 year old.
Who says that if drafted you must get 100+pts in juniors to be elite? I want sources.

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What is this based on? 80 points in 60 games isn't that spectacular for a 19 year old. If he got that many points 2 years ago, then I'd have agreed with you. Even if he did it in his pre-draft year, I could see a potential argument for it. But in the post-draft year, future stars must get 100 points+.

Do you remember our old prospect Bob Maudie? He had 101 points as a 19 year old and never went anywhere, being unable to establish himself even in the AHL.

His linemate was Hnat Dominechelli who had 148 points (12 points than his linemate Jerome Iginla), but also became a minor leaguer.

I get that stats aren't everything, but elite talent should be able to get 100 points in juniors as a 19 year old.
He was 18 for most of the season and only one player in the O (John Tavares) broke 100 points last year.

IF he was in the Q, he would have broken 100 with ease.

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What is this based on? 80 points in 60 games isn't that spectacular for a 19 year old. If he got that many points 2 years ago, then I'd have agreed with you. Even if he did it in his pre-draft year, I could see a potential argument for it. But in the post-draft year, future stars must get 100 points+.

Do you remember our old prospect Bob Maudie? He had 101 points as a 19 year old and never went anywhere, being unable to establish himself even in the AHL.

His linemate was Hnat Dominechelli who had 148 points (12 points than his linemate Jerome Iginla), but also became a minor leaguer.

I get that stats aren't everything, but elite talent should be able to get 100 points in juniors as a 19 year old.
yeah or ryan getzlaf who even two years after his draft managed 54 points in 51 games

such players can obviously never become stars...

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Based on ceiling I go with Grachev.

Based on certainty I go with Anisimov.

Since this is "top" prospect, which I delineate from "best" prospect, I'm gonna go with Grachev.

By the way, how cool is it that, on a team whose strength is considered it's D prospects, our top two guys seem to both be forwards?

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AA, add Stepan

Last season was Grachev's 18 year old season. He won't be 20 until next February!

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AA for me but Grachev is also a good choice. It's not a bad thing when there is a debate for your No1 prospect...

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MDZ and Sangs - I hope Sather keeps both.

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As if anyone has to ask who I'd vote #1.

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As if anyone has to ask who I'd vote #1.
sanguinetti?

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sanguinetti?
You'll be surprised how high I vote for him. He really came along in the second half of the season.

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Based on ceiling I go with Grachev.

Based on certainty I go with Anisimov.

Since this is "top" prospect, which I delineate from "best" prospect, I'm gonna go with Grachev.

By the way, how cool is it that, on a team whose strength is considered it's D prospects, our top two guys seem to both be forwards?

Yeah, I still don't know what we are supposed to be basing our selections on. Is it who will will become a better player, or who is the safer pick?

Kind of like the poll for best forward in the other forum. What is the definition of best forward? Is a guy who scores 40 goals a season and adds 30 helpers a better or worse forward than someone who nets 30 goals and adds 50 assists each year?

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Artie. Add Stepan(obviously).

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Yeah, I still don't know what we are supposed to be basing our selections on. Is it who will will become a better player, or who is the safer pick?
I think it's a balance. I kind of see Anisimov's ceiling as a 2nd line player and Grachev's as a first. But Anisimov is ready to play in the big leagues, although not fulfilling his potential quite yet. Given the fact that there are probably about half as many legitimate first line players as "top 6" players in the league, that makes Grachev's potential substantially more significant to me than Anisimov's readiness. We'll see. I could be crazy.

Anisimov is my #2, though.

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Yeah, I still don't know what we are supposed to be basing our selections on. Is it who will will become a better player, or who is the safer pick?

Kind of like the poll for best forward in the other forum. What is the definition of best forward? Is a guy who scores 40 goals a season and adds 30 helpers a better or worse forward than someone who nets 30 goals and adds 50 assists each year?
I've been advocating--for over a year!--for us to agree on some sort of criteria for voting. Should we focus mainly on upside? Or on how likely someone is to make it? Filling an organizational need? Etc. Personally, I try to weigh each equally.

But no one else ever showed any interest.

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Should we focus mainly on upside? Or on how likely someone is to make it? Filling an organizational need?

Organisational need shouldnt play a part. When I vote I look at the combination of upside and risk factor (RF by a slightest margin). For instance AA is closer but he has marginal 1st / 2nd line potential. Grachev or the other hand has legit 1st line potential but is still a year or away from making any impact.

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I think it's a balance. I kind of see Anisimov's ceiling as a 2nd line player and Grachev's as a first. But Anisimov is ready to play in the big leagues, although not fulfilling his potential quite yet. Given the fact that there are probably about half as many legitimate first line players as "top 6" players in the league, that makes Grachev's potential substantially more significant to me than Anisimov's readiness. We'll see. I could be crazy.

Anisimov is my #2, though.
I agree. That's why I went with Grachev.

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yeah or ryan getzlaf who even two years after his draft managed 54 points in 51 games

such players can obviously never become stars...
I never said that they can't be stars, don't change things around.

I said that you can't expect them to be stars. Luc Robitaille was drafted in the 11 round, but that doesn't mean that we can now expect all late round picks to become Hall of Famers.

The expectation that Grachev will be at least a first liner and maybe an All Star is based on nothing. I'd say second line is more like it. If he does better than second line, than he overachieved.

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Organisational need shouldnt play a part. When I vote I look at the combination of upside and risk factor (RF by a slightest margin). For instance AA is closer but he has marginal 1st / 2nd line potential. Grachev or the other hand has legit 1st line potential but is still a year or away from making any impact.

JMO
I absolutely agree with you. I was just listing the most common criteria I hear used by posters here for ranking prospects.

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I've been advocating--for over a year!--for us to agree on some sort of criteria for voting. Should we focus mainly on upside? Or on how likely someone is to make it? Filling an organizational need? Etc. Personally, I try to weigh each equally.

But no one else ever showed any interest.
Well I for one apologize about missing your cause. If everyone is using a different standard I don't really see the point of even voting in these polls.

As for what I think it should be...these are prospect polls. By definition, prospects are not sure things. So to me it's all on upside. Assuming each guy becomes the best they can be...at the end of the day who is better?

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I really don't get why so few people like Sang. So what if his preseason wasn't great last year? The kid finshed his junior career with over ppg, scoring almost as much as Grachev just did, but he did it as a defenseman.

His rookie year the AHL was great. He had over half a point per game and really improved as the year wore on. In the playoffs, while facing tougher opposition (only 3 lines play and they work harder on defense, and the goalie is never the backup), he had 5 points in 6 games, almost ppg.

Sang is vastly underrated here. I think he will make the team this upcoming year. I think he will be an excellent defenseman for us dithin 2 years.

I would bet that he will not be ranked in the top 5 by the voters, but I promise you that when all is said and done, he will be in the top 3, and maybe even the best NHLer among our group of prospects.

I would not rank him as our #1 prospect, but he is certainly much better than most people here give him credit for.
Who is hating on Sangs? He is certainly one of our top prospects. I think many people kind of saw MDZ as our more shiny, newer toy and that certainly knocked him down a bit. But you are right, he could fall just out of our top 5.

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