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Who will leave a bigger impact when he retires?

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Nick Lidstrom 65 91.55%
Chris Osgood 6 8.45%
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07-18-2009, 07:28 PM
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Who will leave a bigger impact when he retires?

Who do you think will have a bigger impact on the team when they retire, Nick Lidstrom or Chris Osgood?


Argument For Lidstrom : He is the captain and best defenseman the Wings have.

Argument For Osgood : He is the goalie and there is no definite replacement for him, and the Wings have had trouble trying to replace him before (Manny Legace.).

Argument Against Lidstrom : The Wings have 5 other great defensemen, and have a few players that are also captain material.

Argument Against Osgood : The Wings have been able to win without him before, and the Wings are the only team that he has been successful on.

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07-18-2009, 07:39 PM
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I think this will be a shutout. For Nick of course

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What was a greater achievement?
Landing on the moon?
Or the McFlurrie?

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What was a greater achievement?
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Trick question.

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A broom could replace Osgood and the Wings would still be great.

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07-18-2009, 09:57 PM
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Osgood, our cap space is severely limited and getting a starting goalie for under three million is next to impossible.

Lidstrom is a great player but his over all importance to this team has been over stated as of late. Part of the reason why our D was so poor this season is because we had $13 million tied up into two defenseman over the age of 35.

You need to consider the player's cap hit with retirement also. When Lidstrom retires, that frees up seven and a half million dollars. That is Kovalchuk/Luongo money.

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07-18-2009, 10:19 PM
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Ok... Lidstrom is what made Osgood what he is... Osgood is really not that great if you were ranking him in the top goalies of all time.

Lidstrom is just incredible and one of my favorite players even though he plays for Detroit.

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07-18-2009, 10:25 PM
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Ok... Lidstrom is what made Osgood what he is... Osgood is really not that great if you were ranking him in the top goalies of all time.

Lidstrom is just incredible and one of my favorite players even though he plays for Detroit.
Lidstrom retires = $7.5 million free'd up

Osgood retires = $1.5 million free'd up

Like it or not, because of the system or not, Osgood is our #1 goalie. Howard isn't that guy, some day? Possbily but not this season or next.

Lidstrom's contract coming off the book allows this team to sign an all star. Osgood retiring allows this team to sign a backup goalie.

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Lidstrom retires = $7.5 million free'd up

Osgood retires = $1.5 million free'd up

Like it or not, because of the system or not, Osgood is our #1 goalie. Howard isn't that guy, some day? Possbily but not this season or next.

Lidstrom's contract coming off the book allows this team to sign an all star. Osgood retiring allows this team to sign a backup goalie.
Yea... that would give you enough to pay Huet... ...

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Yea... that would give you enough to pay Kopecky... ...

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Maybe we could sign Bryzgalov when Lidstrom retires.

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There are countless goaltenders available in FA each year equal or better to Osgood.

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There are countless goaltenders available in FA each year equal or better to Osgood.
This... If I was a Wings fan I couldn't be more excited about the prospect of Osgood retiring.

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This... If I was a Wings fan I couldn't be more excited about the prospect of Osgood retiring.
Yeah after the last two post seasons I can't wait for this bum to retire.

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Yeah after the last two post seasons I can't wait for this bum to retire.
Or when Lidstrom retires you will be able to sign a really good #1 or back up if you choose... hope Lidstrom has a few more years left in him.

29-12 w/ 5 SO in the playoffs isn't too shabby at all...

No one called him a bum... but if you think Osgood is something special, then I don't know what to say to you.


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Osgood, our cap space is severely limited and getting a starting goalie for under three million is next to impossible.

Lidstrom is a great player but his over all importance to this team has been over stated as of late. Part of the reason why our D was so poor this season is because we had $13 million tied up into two defenseman over the age of 35.

You need to consider the player's cap hit with retirement also. When Lidstrom retires, that frees up seven and a half million dollars. That is Kovalchuk/Luongo money.
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Maybe we could sign Bryzgalov when Lidstrom retires.



Did I really make it that obvious?



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There are countless goaltenders available in FA each year equal or better to Osgood.
Budaj, $1.25 mill
Khabibulin, $3.75
Roloson, $2.5
Thomas, $5

Osgood may not be an all star any longer but he only makes $1.5 million a season, it would be the equivalent of losing Samuelsson's contract. Lidstrom leaving this team leaves a gap but it also frees up a ton of space.

If you think the system is going to break down because Lidstrom is missing, you're mistaken.

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Maybe we could sign Bryzgalov when Lidstrom retires.
We would just have to bring him to detroit when it was +7 degrees and raining

In all seriousness I'm a bit shocked Osgood has 1 vote, He's a good goalie, and perfect for Detroit with his ability to come up big in high pressure.

Lidstrom on the otherhand is one of the greatest defenceman to have ever played. Easily the greatest active blueliner and While I would hesitate to rank him above either Bourque or Orr, It certainly gives pause to consider him among the likes of them because he does have things that would make him potentially a better player.

As great as Osgood has been for the wings, and he does catch a bum rap, it's simply not fair to compare him to a defenceman of Lidstrom's calibre.

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If you think the system is going to break down because Lidstrom is missing, you're mistaken.
I don't know that people who are saying Lidstrom's leaving will have a bigger impact are really saying the system will break down, but I don't think Osgood's departure would do that either. The simple fact is, while it will be hard replacing Osgood, especially given his cap hit, we could throw around maximum salary to try and place Lidstrom and still fall short.

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Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a Ozzie slam fest but it's very obvious that Nick retiring will be harder to overcome.

I will say this for Ozzie...if anyone wants to thumb their nose at the fact he's won a cup as a starter, then why haven't more guys done it? Ozzie has value to this team...especially now given his experience and his attitude. If you think we can just throw another guy in net and win, that's discrediting him quite a bit. But don't get me wrong, if they played a year without Lidstrom anchoring the defense, they'd have a hard time with any guy in net.

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you can't replace Lidstrom, you can just join the other 29 teams who don't have one. osgood will leave a bigger hole because there is nobody else there. we have a pretty decent d-core who can help cushion the blow if lids retires. I seem to remember them playing pretty well when Lids went down against Chicago.

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Hopefully this thread doesn't turn into a Ozzie slam fest but it's very obvious that Nick retiring will be harder to overcome.

I will say this for Ozzie...if anyone wants to thumb their nose at the fact he's won a cup as a starter, then why haven't more guys done it? Ozzie has value to this team...especially now given his experience and his attitude. If you think we can just throw another guy in net and win, that's discrediting him quite a bit. But don't get me wrong, if they played a year without Lidstrom anchoring the defense, they'd have a hard time with any guy in net.
More goalies haven't started for the Red Wings?

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I think Osgood, simply because the lack of depth in goaltending, and the small cap hit he yields. Not to take anything away from Lidstrom, but the defense has the depth to rebound easier from his departure, sure Nick is a multi-Norris winner, but ultimately he is replaceable.

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Is this a serious question?

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