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03-31-2004, 09:20 PM
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What makes me think you don't know what you're talking about is that you said "Draper started to whined like he usually does" or something to that effect. Draper isn't anymore of a whiner than any other player in this league. Maltby is the whiner. That would make somebody think you don't know what you're talking about...
They both do it, quite often, and I have an equal dislike for both, more so for Maltby because of his visor.

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03-31-2004, 09:24 PM
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They both do it, quite often, and I have an equal dislike for both, more so for Maltby because of his visor.
The I guess every player in the NHL does it that often...

If you watch every red wing game, then you're generally a fan and if you do watch every game, you'll see Draper isn't anymore of a whiner than anyone else in this league.

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03-31-2004, 09:42 PM
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I think Maltby gets a lot of unfair blame around these boards. Normally he is just finishing his checks, but he hits a lot and it is upsetting to the opposition But I am really pissed at Maltby for this hit. It looked like he was cruising behind Klesla for a few seconds and timed the hit so that Klesla gets impaled on the edge of the boards. The door was open all this time, and not at the last second as some suggest. Then when the time was right he pushed him onto the edge. The only way I can believe that it was unintentional is if Maltby is incapable of calculating the time and distance with this precision. Otherwise, it really looked calculated.

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No way in hell I can go about defending what malty did. But why in the world would you hate a player just cause they wear a visor?

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03-31-2004, 10:05 PM
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Yea, the door was open a good 3-5 seconds before the hit. Maltby was the last one on his line to go off (McCarty, I think, already was off, hence the door being open). I'm with shveik, he's either really stupid or really dirty.

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No way in hell I can go about defending what malty did. But why in the world would you hate a player just cause they wear a visor?
I certainly can't speak for him, but the reason a lot of people hate players who wear a visor is because they hide behind it. Now, this is alright for players who aren't very inclined to physical play or pest tactics, but for a player who plays that way and doesn't want to be held accountable is frustrating to opposing fans. You can't exactly get into fisticuffs with a player who has an inch of plexiglass surrounding his face.


Yes, i'm aware of all the other uses for a faceshield besides hiding. But if your game is centered around making people angry, a faceshield seems a bit cowardly.

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03-31-2004, 10:28 PM
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Yes, i'm aware of all the other uses for a faceshield besides hiding. But if your game is centered around making people angry, a faceshield seems a bit cowardly.
If he gets hit in the face again, he can lose his vision. he had a career threatning eye injury years ago, I THINK in the minors. So he has no choice.

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03-31-2004, 10:30 PM
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Arvedsson was never the same player after getting hit into the corner of the open door. I do believe he lost some intestine on that play. I also think Renberg may have had a similar injury, if I am not mistaken....

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Gee, what do my eyes see? More OVERANALYZING of something on these boards? Never...not here!

If the door is closed, its a none issue. A line change is happening, the door is open...thus a normal, clean hit becomes a nasty looking FREAK injury.

Thats pretty much the end of the story. Now we are saying that players need to be aware of when the players on the benches are opening and closing the doors??

Cmon...it was 100% and accidental injury. These discussions are so damn useless.

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03-31-2004, 10:37 PM
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I certainly can't speak for him, but the reason a lot of people hate players who wear a visor is because they hide behind it. Now, this is alright for players who aren't very inclined to physical play or pest tactics, but for a player who plays that way and doesn't want to be held accountable is frustrating to opposing fans. You can't exactly get into fisticuffs with a player who has an inch of plexiglass surrounding his face.


Yes, i'm aware of all the other uses for a faceshield besides hiding. But if your game is centered around making people angry, a faceshield seems a bit cowardly.

Maltby has stated MANY times that if it were HIS decision, he would play without a shield. But with his previous eye injury, the team doctors will not allow him to take it off. Would you play without a shield if one more eye injury could cause serious vision problems for the rest of your life?

But no...you are insinutating that Maltby is hypocritical for wearing a sheild while being a physical player? Dumb. He has to wear it...or he puts himself at risk of serious vision problems. Doctors orders.

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03-31-2004, 10:40 PM
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Just about EVERY player in the NHL could be, at one time or another, classified as a whiner. Sure...some more than others. There are numerous players that whine as much as, if not more than, Draper and Maltby. Every team has its whiners. Every single one. I am not saying that Drapes and Maltby dont whine...they tend to whine often. I just love how people point it out like they are the only 2 players in the entire league who do it. :lol

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Considering Maltby is a dirty player and the fact that Klesla was in a compromising position and the fact Maltby shoved Klesla in the back of the numbers it wouldn't surprise me if Maltby was just being Maltby and trying to make a dirty play.

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Well, my reasoning behind saying that Maltby was sneaky dirty is that i've seen quite a few, "there was nothing he could do" plays out of Maltby that have injured players.
i think its just because he has a rep, and these plays stick in your mind

i really feel like i havent seen maltby do anything dirty all season long

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Maltby is one of the dirtiest players in the NHL

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If he gets hit in the face again, he can lose his vision. he had a career threatning eye injury years ago, I THINK in the minors. So he has no choice.
anyone can lose their vision if they take a hit as bad as one that could end Maltby's career...he hides behind a visor he's an instigator. If you wanna talk **** be willing to not wear a visor and drop the gloves.

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03-31-2004, 11:10 PM
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Maltby has stated MANY times that if it were HIS decision, he would play without a shield. But with his previous eye injury, the team doctors will not allow him to take it off. Would you play without a shield if one more eye injury could cause serious vision problems for the rest of your life?

But no...you are insinutating that Maltby is hypocritical for wearing a sheild while being a physical player? Dumb. He has to wear it...or he puts himself at risk of serious vision problems. Doctors orders.
Care to show me at which point in my post I said the name Maltby? Perhaps you're the one jumping the gun here. I was giving a general statement regarding the mindset of people against physical players who wear a visor. The only thing this post had to do with Maltby was the point came up in a discussion about Maltby.

Also, does having a serious face injury give a player a get out of jail free card? If so, there are certainly a lot of people who owe Sean Hill an apology for his dirty plays.

What player isn't putting himself at risk of losing his vision while playing hockey? How about serious head injuries, they can result in death. Does Eric Lindros, Jeremy Roenick, and Chris Pronger go out wearing pillows strapped to their head? They sure don't. I'm not saying that Maltby isn't supposed to play with a faceshield, i'm just saying accept the retribution you're going to invoke as far as your reputation is concerned.

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anyone can lose their vision if they take a hit as bad as one that could end Maltby's career...he hides behind a visor he's an instigator. If you wanna talk **** be willing to not wear a visor and drop the gloves.
so its more of a blind hatred, then logic behind your animosity. Cause I find that statement to be a tad bit Don Cherry-ish.

Screw the guy for wanting to play the sport he loves and Not put himself at risk to lose his vision. HE SHOULD BE A MAN, SUCK IT UP AND WING IT! You get hit in the face with a weak shot that causes you to lose your sight, TOO BAD SO SAD. AT LEAST YOU MADE SOME PEOPLE ON A MESSAGE BOARD THINK YER A MAN!

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I don't agree with that. For a guy that's constantly throwing hits and getting in people's faces, he rarely crosses the line. I definitely think he knew the door to the bench was open, but he probably was more interested in dumping Klesla into the bench, not injuring him.

The Columbus announcers brought up the point that the door shouldn't have been open. I'd like to see the doors stay closed during play. Maybe they could make a rule that if that door comes open, a bench minor is issued.

What's the word on Klesla? Looked like an upper thigh/hip sorta thing.

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What's the word on Klesla? Looked like an upper thigh/hip sorta thing.
he has a bruise, no serious injury

Doug McLean called it gutless, And Gallant said it was obvious he knew the door was opened.

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I'd like to see the doors stay closed during play. Maybe they could make a rule that if that door comes open, a bench minor is issued.
So ...no more changing on the fly?

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I'm not saying that Maltby isn't supposed to play with a faceshield, i'm just saying accept the retribution you're going to invoke as far as your reputation is concerned.
Retribution for What?

Is this what the NHL has come to. You check a guy hard, you get them off thier game cause you Forcheck a lot. You must then be prepared to Fight?

Show me the LAST hit where Maltby was Blatently Dirty. And hell, lets just say Tonights was boarderline, before that Name one Instance this season where he "cheapshotted" a guy.

I asked this question before, and it was ignored. Everybody is freely throwing around the "Hes dirty and cheap" yet NOBODY can point to an instance. They just say he yaps. Ofcorse he yaps. Hes a grinder, a Great PKer, A Great Shut-Down Guy. He hits every chance he gets, none of which i can honestly remember that were obviously dirty. Yet now he should "Face retribution"

Years a go, i watcehd Avalanche fans call him dirty because he Slashed an Avs Player. His name escapes me, but it was similar to the bryan allen on Zetterburg slash. a Tap which hit him right above the gloves he was wearing. Short gloves which didnt fully cover the wrist. To this day its brought up. Its the ONLY instance that i see regularly used to say hes dirty, and this was back in 1996.

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Years a go, i watcehd Avalanche fans call him dirty because he Slashed an Avs Player. His name escapes me, but it was similar to the bryan allen on Zetterburg slash. a Tap which hit him right above the gloves he was wearing. Short gloves which didnt fully cover the wrist. To this day its brought up. Its the ONLY instance that i see regularly used to say hes dirty, and this was back in 1996.
Kamensky.

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Maltby is dirty and cheap.

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Kamensky.
ya, the ******* came back in game 3, when the wings were up 2-0. Wings also lost 2 players in game 2. It let the avs Roll 4 lines, while the wings lost I THINK it was Yzerman & Osgood.

Avs Smoked the wings the next 4 games.

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I was talking about the negative influence on his reputation. "Retribution", perhaps, wasn't the right word for it. I was simply talking about the hit his image would take for wearing one, not about having to defend himself in a fight.

As for another Maltby cheap shot:


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Hurricanes goaltender Kevin Weekes suffered a concussion in the first period. The former Lightning goalie took an elbow from Carolina defenseman Bret Hedican after Hedican was pushed into the crease by Kirk Maltby
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/11/30/Sp...ekes_hur.shtml


From the description there it sounds like a freak accident, once again, but it wasn't. Maltby pushed Hedican when they were both skating full force towards the net and Weekes was down with his head looking up. He pushed Hedican with the intention of making him fall onto Weekes and Weekes suffered a concussion that put him out for essentially half the season.

I'm sure the Maltby supporters are going to call it marginal, but i've seen the play a number of times and it was far from marginal. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears, but you asked for an example and that's one i've found. The Hurricanes only play the Wings once or twice a season and i've seen what this guy is capable of. I can only imagine the type of stuff he does against Western Conference competition. Probably stuff like this Klesla incidient.

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