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07-27-2009, 07:24 PM
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Why cant Oilers ever dump salary in trades like these? Its so frustrating as a fan.
Deal Staios and Nilsson.
Sign Betts (0.800) and Malholtra (2.500)
Offersheet Kessel 3yrs 4.45 per (Compensation:1st and 3rd)
Leaving us with a line up of

Kessel-Horcoff-Hemsky (13.850)
Penner-Gagner-OSullivan (8.825)
Cogliano-Malholtra-Pisani (6.133)
Moreau-Betts-Brule (3.800)

Souray-Gilbert (9.400)
Visnovsky-Grebeshkov (8.150)
Smid-Strudwick (2.200)

Khabibulin (3.750)
JDD (0.625)

Total 56.683

Tight squeeze

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07-27-2009, 07:32 PM
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With Stralman gone, they still have 9 Dmen that are on 1 one way deals. Stralman wasn't going to play in Toronto anyway, he isn't Burke or Wilson's type of player.

Toronto should be entertaining to watch. Won't have a lot of skill, but will have a lot of goon thuggery going on.

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07-27-2009, 08:03 PM
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Wow. Can Sutter ever work some magic when he wants to. He shed two salaries this summer and got back quality pieces. They aren't home run trades or anything, but the moves are definitely putting the Flames in a better position to win.

We can almost cue the Heatley to Calgary trade for a bunch of scrubs who take up cap space.

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07-27-2009, 08:05 PM
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Why cant Oilers ever dump salary in trades like these? Its so frustrating as a fan.
Deal Staios and Nilsson.
Sign Betts (0.800) and Malholtra (2.500)
Offersheet Kessel 3yrs 4.45 per (Compensation:1st and 3rd)
Leaving us with a line up of

Kessel-Horcoff-Hemsky (13.850)
Penner-Gagner-OSullivan (8.825)
Cogliano-Malholtra-Pisani (6.133)
Moreau-Betts-Brule (3.800)

Souray-Gilbert (9.400)
Visnovsky-Grebeshkov (8.150)
Smid-Strudwick (2.200)

Khabibulin (3.750)
JDD (0.625)

Total 56.683

Tight squeeze
It's not so much that they can't as much as it is that they won't. They have some misplaced sense of loyalty. I don't understand it myself. They trade away younger players with good contracts (that want to be here) and keep the old, over priced and over valued ones. Honestly- do you think if Primeau and the fellow they traded away to make room for Boumeester (his name escapes me now) would of been traded away from Edmonton if they played here? History has shown us no.

You can not give me one reason why Staios and Moreau are here right now. MacT said the culture has changed- that is a finger pointing directly at leadership. Why are these guys here?

I'm still wondering why the Oilers didn't trade away Moreau and pick up Dawes on waivers. He does what Moreau does but way cheaper- and higher offensive upside.

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07-27-2009, 08:07 PM
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he was probably sweating drafting Kadri. "this guy sounds like a ******* terrorist... at least he was born in Ontario. Don will be as torn as i am."

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07-27-2009, 08:36 PM
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I'd wager we'll see an offer sheet for Kessel soon.

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07-27-2009, 08:41 PM
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It's frustrating to watch Calgary get rid of all this salary while we are stuck with Staois and Moreau.

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I'd wager we'll see an offer sheet for Kessel soon.
By the Oilers ?

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07-27-2009, 08:44 PM
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By the Oilers ?
Nope. They don't have the cap space.

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Nope. They don't have the cap space.
I thought you could be over the cap until some particular date closer to the start of the season ?

Under the scenario tv14 proposed above , do you think Boston would let him slip away ? A first and a third seems pretty cheap to obtain a guy with Kessel's talent .

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I thought you could be over the cap until some particular date closer to the start of the season ?

Under the scenario tv14 proposed above , do you think Boston would let him slip away ? A first and a third seems pretty cheap to obtain a guy with Kessel's talent .
The problem there is trading Staios and Nilsson. Might happen but not likely IMO.

I would think the threat of an offer sheet could force Boston's hand in trading Kessel.

Toronto still has too many defensemen and not enough scoring so I expect this is just the first step in a bigger move.

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07-27-2009, 09:08 PM
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Damn....good deal for Calgary.

I thought they were high on Stralman.

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07-27-2009, 09:15 PM
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Why cant Oilers ever dump salary in trades like these? Its so frustrating as a fan.
Deal Staios and Nilsson.
Sign Betts (0.800) and Malholtra (2.500)
Offersheet Kessel 3yrs 4.45 per (Compensation:1st and 3rd)
Leaving us with a line up of

Kessel-Horcoff-Hemsky (13.850)
Penner-Gagner-OSullivan (8.825)
Cogliano-Malholtra-Pisani (6.133)
Moreau-Betts-Brule (3.800)

Souray-Gilbert (9.400)
Visnovsky-Grebeshkov (8.150)
Smid-Strudwick (2.200)

Khabibulin (3.750)
JDD (0.625)

Total 56.683

Tight squeeze
Boston doesn't let Kessel go for $4.45 million. They match that and then send the Oilers a thank you card for their work. Kessel is asking for $5 million from Boston, so imagine what he wold ask for from the Oilers.

On topic, Sutter pulls another one out his butt. It is frustrating to see him continually spin silk from sow's ears. He adds a really good young defenseman, a gritty depth player, a late pick and gets someone to eat the salary of broken down waste of a player and a second round pick. Why can't our team move some of our salary mistakes like that?

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07-27-2009, 09:21 PM
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The problem there is trading Staios and Nilsson. Might happen but not likely IMO.

I would think the threat of an offer sheet could force Boston's hand in trading Kessel.

Toronto still has too many defensemen and not enough scoring so I expect this is just the first step in a bigger move.
I don't think trading Staios, and especially Nilsson, would be tough at all. I'm sure there'd be a few teams with cap space willing to risk a draft pick or two on one of them.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the Oil make a play for Kessel, especially with the new compensation levels. Everybody's talking about how desperate Tambellini is with the Heatley thing, well, here's a 22 y/o who almost scored 40 goals last season. I'd put down over 4 over a good term for that. If anything, it'd be nice to have a new face to put on tickets.

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07-27-2009, 09:30 PM
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I don't think trading Staios, and especially Nilsson, would be tough at all. I'm sure there'd be a few teams with cap space willing to risk a draft pick or two on one of them.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the Oil make a play for Kessel, especially with the new compensation levels. Everybody's talking about how desperate Tambellini is with the Heatley thing, well, here's a 22 y/o who almost scored 40 goals last season. I'd put down over 4 over a good term for that. If anything, it'd be nice to have a new face to put on tickets.
The word out of Toronto is Burke is working on another big deal. We'll see.

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The Flames had to make some room under the cap for Dustin Boyd.

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07-27-2009, 09:39 PM
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The word out of Toronto is Burke is working on another big deal. We'll see.
To be honest I wouldn't mind seeing them grab Kessel. Would be nice to have something to watch for during the first game on Saturday.

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Why cant Oilers ever dump salary in trades like these? Its so frustrating as a fan.
Deal Staios and Nilsson.
Sign Betts (0.800) and Malholtra (2.500)
Offersheet Kessel 3yrs 4.45 per (Compensation:1st and 3rd)
Leaving us with a line up of

Kessel-Horcoff-Hemsky (13.850)
Penner-Gagner-OSullivan (8.825)
Cogliano-Malholtra-Pisani (6.133)
Moreau-Betts-Brule (3.800)

Souray-Gilbert (9.400)
Visnovsky-Grebeshkov (8.150)
Smid-Strudwick (2.200)

Khabibulin (3.750)
JDD (0.625)

Total 56.683

Tight squeeze
i am all for trading nilsson and staios, but not to downgrade and get betts and maholtra..

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i am all for trading nilsson and staios, but not to downgrade and get betts and maholtra..
How is Malholtra a downgrade on what the Oil have now? Betts would be nice to have too, for the faceoffs. If that scenario posted went through, then the Oilers would look a lot better than they do now.

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How is Malholtra a downgrade on what the Oil have now? Betts would be nice to have too, for the faceoffs. If that scenario posted went through, then the Oilers would look a lot better than they do now.
because i hate how people are naive enough to think this team needs more bottom liners.. we did not suck last season because our damn 3rd and 4th liners.. we sucked because of sucky top 2 lines.. now instead of blowing chunks on grinders, we need to use cap space on getting tanguay..

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To be honest I wouldn't mind seeing them grab Kessel. Would be nice to have something to watch for during the first game on Saturday.
Would they then be considered a team on the rise?

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I'd wager we'll see an offer sheet for Kessel soon.
The problem being, if Toronto adds Kessel, does that make them a good enough team to be out of a Lottery pick. I know they bolstered their defense and goaltending, but is that enough?? Also is Kessel worth it? I know he had a great year, but I think inflation could very well be an issue here.

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The word out of Toronto is Burke is working on another big deal. We'll see.
Keep us up to date, Ek.


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I dont see that 2nd rounder being worth much, Calgary will finish fairly high and the draft isn't being touted as that deep.

Not worth a touted prospect like Stralman surely.
Burke needs the 2nd rounder so that he can trade it for a goon at the deadline.


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Why cant Oilers ever dump salary in trades like these? Its so frustrating as a fan.
Absolutely. Staios and Nilsson were the first things that came to my mind too.

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The problem being, if Toronto adds Kessel, does that make them a good enough team to be out of a Lottery pick. I know they bolstered their defense and goaltending, but is that enough?? Also is Kessel worth it? I know he had a great year, but I think inflation could very well be an issue here.
The Leafs finished 12 points out of the playoffs last season so they have a lot of ground to make up.

I think a lot will depend on Gustafsson but Kessel sure wouldn't hurt.

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[QUOTE=oilers_guy_eddie;20577773]Keep us up to date, Ek.


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