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07-29-2009, 04:05 PM
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Unless they asked for something like 1.4 mil... Which is a bit more than i'd like to pay him.

And we can still trade him.
Or he could be waived... it is not as if that would be new territory for Wellwood.

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And we thought wellwood had a problem....

http://www.haliburtonecho.ca/Article...aspx?e=1675770

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07-29-2009, 04:32 PM
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And we thought wellwood had a problem....

http://www.haliburtonecho.ca/Article...aspx?e=1675770


All that is missing from the above picture is the double chin, overhanging gut, cast and lack of defined musculature and Hodgson and Wellwood could be twins.

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Do arbitrators typical hand out multi-year deals?

I'd take Welly back at a one or two year deal for around 1.25.

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Do arbitrators typical hand out multi-year deals?

I'd take Welly back at a one or two year deal for around 1.25.
The team gets to elect whether they want a one year or two year deal ahead of time.

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07-29-2009, 05:02 PM
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The team gets to elect whether they want a one year or two year deal ahead of time.
Yes, it is usually done in the brief the Canucks file at least 48 hours prior to the hearing.

In the event the Canucks did not positively elect a term then then they are deemed to have elected a one year deal.

If a team does elect a two year deal then they lose the ability to completely walk away from the awarded contract and while they can then reject the two year deal, they must sign a one year deal and at the end of the one year the player is UFA.

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And we thought wellwood had a problem....

http://www.haliburtonecho.ca/Article...aspx?e=1675770
wow Hodgson looks small in that picture.

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wow Hodgson looks small in that picture.
Well, the waitress is 6'4" and 250 lbs.

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07-29-2009, 05:18 PM
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How does that leave our top 9?

Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Demitra
Burrows
Wellwood
Bernier
Raymond
Samuelsson
Hodgson?

Where does Cody fit? I just can't see him going back to junior another season...

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07-29-2009, 05:25 PM
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How does that leave our top 9?

Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Demitra
Burrows
Wellwood
Bernier
Raymond
Samuelsson
Hodgson?

Where does Cody fit? I just can't see him going back to junior another season...
you also need to fit hansen in there somewhere.

what are the odds of all these players being healthy at the same time? Demitra is already injured to start the season...

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How does that leave our top 9?

Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Demitra
Burrows
Wellwood
Bernier
Raymond
Samuelsson
Hodgson?

Where does Cody fit? I just can't see him going back to junior another season...

It's possible the Canucks feel Cody is ready for a top 6 role. They could also take the stance that if he isn't he would go back to junior. Or they are expecting Demitra to miss the beginning of the season and they will have Wellwood centering a line with Samuelsson and Kesler.

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what are the odds of all these players being healthy at the same time? Demitra is already injured to start the season...
Exactly. Way too many variables to try and slot everyone in together.

1) Injuries
2) Training camp

etc.

I really like the versatility that our forward group has this year. I'd personally like to see the following lines, if everyone is healthy. Not sure what we do with Hodgson, maybe he starts off at wing?

Kesler is better offensively on the wing... but he basically plays RW in the offensive zone and C in the defensive zone. Absolute horse.

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Burrows-Wellwood-Kesler
Demitra-Hodgson-Bernier

Could also go:

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Demitra-Kesler-Burrows
Hodgson-Wellwood-Bernier

Not sure where Raymond slots in. Same goes for Hansen. Ideally one of Hordi-Ryp plays. Grabner too. Raymond-Wellwood-Bernier was a fantastic line in the playoffs, and I am in the camp that believes Raymond does have top six upside. He has shown glimpses of an improved hockey IQ. Great wheels, great shot, just needs to get his head thinking more, especially offensively.

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07-29-2009, 05:39 PM
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Exactly. Way too many variables to try and slot everyone in together.

1) Injuries
2) Training camp

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Will get *REALLY* interesting *IF* Sundin re-signs *AND* more importantly comes to training camp instead of halfway thru the year.

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07-29-2009, 06:42 PM
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you also need to fit hansen in there somewhere.

what are the odds of all these players being healthy at the same time? Demitra is already injured to start the season...
Injuries are always a factor, but really doesn't somebody have to go? Hansen appears as though he doesn't want a 2-way deal, Raymond won't be sent down, and Hodgson absolutely needs to make the jump to the NHL. Everyone else is pretty much a lock for a spot, including Wellwood imo, so I really do see a trade coming soon with either Hansen or Raymond hittin the dusty old trail. Does seem likely to anyone else?

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Injuries are always a factor, but really doesn't somebody have to go? Hansen appears as though he doesn't want a 2-way deal, Raymond won't be sent down, and Hodgson absolutely needs to make the jump to the NHL. Everyone else is pretty much a lock for a spot, including Wellwood imo, so I really do see a trade coming soon with either Hansen or Raymond hittin the dusty old trail. Does seem likely to anyone else?
No. Maybe after camp.

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07-29-2009, 07:49 PM
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Don't think it was specifically mentioned in the TSN article, but Liut says they weren't asking for more than the $1.57 million that would have given the opportunity to walk away:

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Mike Liut, Wellwood's agent, has confirmed that the salary number he presented at Tuesday's arbitration hearing in Toronto was below the $1.570 million figure that would allow the Canucks to walk away and leave Wellwood an unrestricted free agent.

"The fact is there is no walk-away right in this case," Liut said Wednesday. "The Canucks are not walking away from this contract."
http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/Ca...201/story.html

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07-29-2009, 07:56 PM
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Don't think it was specifically mentioned in the TSN article, but Liut says they weren't asking for more than the $1.57 million that would have given the opportunity to walk away:



http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/Ca...201/story.html
Smart. No one would have paid Wellwood 1.5+ in the market anyways.

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07-29-2009, 08:02 PM
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"The fact is there is no walk-away right in this case," Liut said Wednesday. "The Canucks are not walking away from this contract."
I guess he didn't think about the "bury him in the minors" right.

Though I'm sure Wellwood is familiar with the concept by now.

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How does that leave our top 9?

Sedin
Sedin
Kesler
Demitra
Burrows
Wellwood
Bernier
Raymond
Samuelsson
Hodgson?

Where does Cody fit? I just can't see him going back to junior another season...


I think you can add Grabner to the mix. I doubt he'll be back with the Moose.

Wow is it nice to have this kind of forward depth. I would like to see Demitra moved and have them go with young guys.

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07-29-2009, 09:20 PM
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Grabner probably starts on the Moose and gets called up when there's an injury.

And I dont get why everyone is so anctious to trade Demitra. Sure he probably wont play more than 70 games, but he still put up 53 points in 69 games last year and he had a decent playoffs while he was healthy. I don't see Grabner putting up those numbers in his first year.

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07-29-2009, 09:38 PM
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I think you can add Grabner to the mix. I doubt he'll be back with the Moose.

Wow is it nice to have this kind of forward depth. I would like to see Demitra moved and have them go with young guys.
Wanna bet that Grabner starts the year with the Moose?

And you can't build a team all with young guys.

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I think you can add Grabner to the mix. I doubt he'll be back with the Moose.

Wow is it nice to have this kind of forward depth. I would like to see Demitra moved and have them go with young guys.
Zero chance Grabner starts on the team. He would have to significantly outplay some players who can't be sent down without going through waivers (Wellwood/Raymond). And by significantly outplay, I mean he has to be an impact player (a shoe in for 50+ points) and you can't tell that in training camp with a player of Grabner's caliber.

The only way he spends significant time with the Canucks is if there is an injury and he lights it up.

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With Demitra allegedly out, I'm guessing our opening night forwards will be:

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Raymond-Hodgson-Bernier
Burrows-Kesler-Wellwood
Hordichuk (or Hansen)-Johnson-Rypien

Next callup would be Grabner (if offensive guy gets hurt) or Bolduc/Desbiens (if grinder gets hurt)

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Zero chance Grabner starts on the team.
If he spends the year in Winnipeg, it'll be his third in the AHL. Very few forwards spend that much time down there and end up top-six scorers - very very few. If it plays out that way, time to move him on over to the "Bust" pile, pending a minor miracle.

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07-30-2009, 12:30 AM
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If he spends the year in Winnipeg, it'll be his third in the AHL. Very few forwards spend that much time down there and end up top-six scorers - very very few. If it plays out that way, time to move him on over to the "Bust" pile, pending a minor miracle.
When you consider that a lot of European born players spend three or more years in the AHL + SEL or whatever it's actually not that rare. I can name four players off the top of my head that are top six fowards and spend three years specifically in the AHL though.

Jiri Hudler, Jason Pominville, Andrei Kostitsyn, and Brad Boyes.

And I'm sure if I did some research I could find many more than that.

EDIT: Andrew Brunette spent almost 6 seasons in the AHL. Jason Williams and Todd White also.

Next year both Niklas Bergfors and Joel Ward could both be top six forwards and both have spent 3+ years in the AHL as well.


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