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07-30-2009, 01:49 AM
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When you consider that a lot of European born players spend three or more years in the AHL + SEL or whatever it's actually not that rare. I can name four players off the top of my head that are top six fowards and spend three years specifically in the AHL though.

Jiri Hudler, Jason Pominville, Andrei Kostitsyn, and Brad Boyes.

And I'm sure if I did some research I could find many more than that.

EDIT: Andrew Brunette spent almost 6 seasons in the AHL. Jason Williams and Todd White also.

Next year both Niklas Bergfors and Joel Ward could both be top six forwards and both have spent 3+ years in the AHL as well.
However the problem these days is spending that much time in the minors means that as the player reaches NHL value he is also verging on UFA.

You get your best value from ELC players in your Top Six forwards. Top Four D.

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07-30-2009, 02:02 AM
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Jiri Hudler...
...spent time in the NHL starting with his first AHL season.

Pominville was getting called up starting his first AHL season, and was in the NHL nearly fulltime by his third season.

Kostitsyn's first AHL season was a lockout year, he was getting call-ups the next year, and more call-ups the year after.

By contrast, Grabner has now finished two AHL seasons without a single NHL appearance. Hopefully that changes this year.

Hope that helps clarify the point. And just a friendly reminder that "lowered odds" is not the same as "can't happen". Heck, in theory, Krog could still become an NHLer.

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07-30-2009, 02:22 AM
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Hoo-rah, Wellburger's back.

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Hoo-rah, Wellburger's back.
and he was boozing it up alot tonight...

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07-30-2009, 02:50 AM
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$1.35 million for Kyle isn't awful. I can live with it.

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07-30-2009, 10:42 AM
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By contrast, Grabner has now finished two AHL seasons without a single NHL appearance. Hopefully that changes this year.
This is my point about Grabner. Two full seasons in the AHL and he hasn't played an NHL game yet...and it is not like the Canucks are packed with guys who put the puck in the net, either.
A player who is waiver-exempt doesn't even get to play in a game or two?
The Canucks obviously feel there are still huge holes in his game...and I think they are right.
His Cy Young numbers last year (30-18) don't inspire confidence, either.
Barring injuries, he won't make the Canucks out of camp...I believe he will get a few cups of coffee with the team this year but won't be a factor at all.

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07-30-2009, 11:20 AM
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With Demitra allegedly out, I'm guessing our opening night forwards will be:

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Raymond-Hodgson-Bernier
Burrows-Kesler-Wellwood
Hordichuk (or Hansen)-Johnson-Rypien

Next callup would be Grabner (if offensive guy gets hurt) or Bolduc/Desbiens (if grinder gets hurt)
Hodgson 2nd line? Really?

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07-30-2009, 11:32 AM
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With Demitra allegedly out, I'm guessing our opening night forwards will be:

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Raymond-Hodgson-Bernier
Burrows-Kesler-Wellwood
Hordichuk (or Hansen)-Johnson-Rypien

Next callup would be Grabner (if offensive guy gets hurt) or Bolduc/Desbiens (if grinder gets hurt)
swap the 2nd line with the 3rd line and you're probably closer ....with Burrows and Samuelsson potentially swapping spots too. Hodgson couuld play wing too, to give him a bit more cusion.

Actually -- don't really know that much about Hodgson -- who is he best suited to play with?

Burners like Kesler, Raymond or Burrows?
a big guy like Bernier or Hordy to protect him?
or maybe he'd play the intellectual game well with Welly?
or put him with a veteran with defensive game like Samuelsson?
I'd love to say he's best suited with some pure finishers, but we seem to be in short supply of those...

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07-30-2009, 11:51 AM
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Hodgson 2nd line? Really?
Is this better?

Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Burrows-Kesler-Wellwood
Raymond-Hodgson-Bernier
Hordichuk (or Hansen)-Johnson-Rypien

Edit: I'm just quoting Steveorama's lines and swapping lines 2 and 3 so that Hodgson is on the '3rd' line. Same combos, just a simple swap to make it easier for some fans to grasp.


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This is my point about Grabner. Two full seasons in the AHL and he hasn't played an NHL game yet...and it is not like the Canucks are packed with guys who put the puck in the net, either.
A good part of the reason he wasn't been called up yet is the guy behind the bench. It has less to do with whether he's ready yet but more to do with the type of player AV favors.

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07-30-2009, 12:24 PM
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$1.35 million for Kyle isn't awful. I can live with it.
Where is this figure coming from?

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07-30-2009, 12:34 PM
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It's probably an estimate

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07-30-2009, 12:35 PM
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Hodgson 2nd line? Really?
I didn't mean to imply that the Hodgson line would see more ice than the Kesler line...just that a Raymond-Hodgson-Bernier line would be the secondary scoring line, while Kesler-Burrows-Wellwood would probably have more of a classic third line role versus other team's top lines.
Kesler-Burrows-whoever would still likely outscore my proprosed "second line", in any event.

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This is my point about Grabner. Two full seasons in the AHL and he hasn't played an NHL game yet...and it is not like the Canucks are packed with guys who put the puck in the net, either.
A player who is waiver-exempt doesn't even get to play in a game or two?
The Canucks obviously feel there are still huge holes in his game...and I think they are right.
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And just what are these huge holes in his game ?? If you follow the Moose at all - he was second on the team in plus minus ( IIRC at + 21 ) and he led the team with + 11 in the playoffs. The only knock on Grabner is he can be a little inconsistent but that hardly means he has " huge holes in his game "

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07-30-2009, 01:35 PM
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IS it official?
Now it is....Money not disclosed yet though
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=286227

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07-30-2009, 02:45 PM
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VANCOUVER — The National Hockey League’s Vancouver Canucks have re-signed centre Kyle Wellwood to a new contract, Canucks general manager Mike Gillis announced this morning.

Terms were not disclosed on the new deal.
Source: http://www.vancouversun.com/Vancouve...529/story.html

No length or $$$ yet, but good news. Article makes it sound like they might have arrived at their own deal rather than taking one from the arbitrator?

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07-30-2009, 02:47 PM
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Terms of the deal were not released, however the agent for Wellwood, Mike Liut told the TEAM 1040 on Wednesday that his client would be signing for slightly more than the $1 million he earned last season.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=286227

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They obviously took the deal from the arbitrator

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So somewhere between $1 and $1.57 million on a 1 or 2 year deal. I can live with those figures.

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They obviously took the deal from the arbitrator
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They re-signed him before the arbitrator made his ruling.

I wonder what "slight" is to an NHL agent?

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They obviously took the deal from the arbitrator
Not so. Keyword is re-signed, not accepted the arbitration award, which hasn't been (to my knowledge) been released and announced yet. Term is 1 year unless something drastically changed in negotiations between Tuesday and today.

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They obviously took the deal from the arbitrator
Or not.

Until the Arbitrator released his decision they were free to come to their own agreement.

The Vancouver Sun story seems to say the deal was signed prior to the decision being released.
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The National Hockey League’s Vancouver Canucks have re-signed centre Kyle Wellwood to a new contract, Canucks general manager Mike Gillis announced this morning.

Terms were not disclosed on the new deal.

Wellwood and the Canucks met with an arbitrator in Toronto Tuesday to determine what the centre was worth.

A decision from the arbitrator was expected today.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Vancouve...529/story.html

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$1.2 million. Solid.

Awarded by arbitrator.

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$1.2 million. Solid.

Awarded by arbitrator.
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