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07-29-2009, 05:28 PM
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Does Anyone Else Think Ashton Might Be On The Opening Day Roster?

Seeing as how we just dumped Prospal, and really need another forward, why not say to hell with signing someone expensive and give Ashton a shot on the third line and go with Downie on Stammer's wing? I understand it would be officially admitting another year of rebuilding. Maybe I'm completely out of left field on this one, call it a hunch...

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For 9 games maybe.

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For 9 games maybe.
I can see this happening, but I don't expect him to make the team. He needs another year in the WHL.

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For 9 games maybe.
That's kind of what I was thinking. Let us take a look at him and we could also sign a scoring forward cheap in early October...

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Bailey wasn't expect to stick with the isles last year... so dont be surprise if it happen with Ashton this year.

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He's not big and strong enough yet to play the style of game that he plays against men.

The players that succeed when they are younger are generally smaller, faster, more finesse players (Kane, Gagner) but power forward types take longer to develop.

He won't even get a 9 game look.

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He has lots of potential but I think a year in the WHL will benefit him the most.

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He's not big and strong enough yet to play the style of game that he plays against men.

The players that succeed when they are younger are generally smaller, faster, more finesse players (Kane, Gagner) but power forward types take longer to develop.

He won't even get a 9 game look.
I disagree. He had the strongest grip and leg push strength of ANYONE tested for the draft this year...

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I can see this happening, but I don't expect him to make the team. He needs another year in the WHL.
Hes gonna need at least a year. Not a very good passer, but has other good tools.

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I disagree. He had the strongest grip and leg push strength of ANYONE tested for the draft this year...
Ashton 6'3 205 lbs


Bertuzzi 6'3 235 lbs
Franzen 6'3 220 lbs
Shanahan 6'3 220 lbs
Tkachuk 6'2 225 lbs
Getzlaf 6'4 225 lbs
Thornton 6'4 235 lbs
Bobby Ryan 6'2 220 lbs (2nd overall pick, took a few seasons to mature)
Guerin 6'2 220 lbs
Horton 6'2 230 lbs
Knuble 6'3 230 lbs

Now not all of those are perfect comparables I realize (so I don't see a point in going through them and explaining why Ashton is different), the simple point is that power forwards need to be really big and strong.

I'm not talking about grip and leg push strength, particular compared to a bunch of kids, I'm talking about total body mass needed to wear down gigantic NHL old men defencemen, not CHL kids.

I don't think any of those guys made an impact at the NHL level right after being drafted and they are generally best served by getting bigger and stronger before being asked to play their game in the NHL.

Ashton needs at least 15 lbs and 1 year, maybe 2.

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Ashton 6'3 205 lbs


Bertuzzi 6'3 235 lbs
Franzen 6'3 220 lbs
Shanahan 6'3 220 lbs
Tkachuk 6'2 225 lbs
Getzlaf 6'4 225 lbs
Thornton 6'4 235 lbs
Bobby Ryan 6'2 220 lbs (2nd overall pick, took a few seasons to mature)
Guerin 6'2 220 lbs
Horton 6'2 230 lbs
Knuble 6'3 230 lbs

Now not all of those are perfect comparables I realize (so I don't see a point in going through them and explaining why Ashton is different), the simple point is that power forwards need to be really big and strong.

I'm not talking about grip and leg push strength, particular compared to a bunch of kids, I'm talking about total body mass needed to wear down gigantic NHL old men defencemen, not CHL kids.

I don't think any of those guys made an impact at the NHL level right after being drafted and they are generally best served by getting bigger and stronger before being asked to play their game in the NHL.


Ashton needs at least 15 lbs and 1 year, maybe 2.

I wouldn't mind seeing him the first 9 games, but unless he blows us away with a ppg pace he should by all means go back to the WHL. Dont worry about the strength thing, hes a strong kid and I'm sure the staff is going to send him back with a to do list to get him ready. Hes going to look awesome with Stamkos in a few seasons.

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Ashton 6'3 205 lbs


Bertuzzi 6'3 235 lbs
Franzen 6'3 220 lbs
Shanahan 6'3 220 lbs
Tkachuk 6'2 225 lbs
Getzlaf 6'4 225 lbs
Thornton 6'4 235 lbs
Bobby Ryan 6'2 220 lbs (2nd overall pick, took a few seasons to mature)
Guerin 6'2 220 lbs
Horton 6'2 230 lbs
Knuble 6'3 230 lbs

Now not all of those are perfect comparables I realize (so I don't see a point in going through them and explaining why Ashton is different), the simple point is that power forwards need to be really big and strong.

I'm not talking about grip and leg push strength, particular compared to a bunch of kids, I'm talking about total body mass needed to wear down gigantic NHL old men defencemen, not CHL kids.

I don't think any of those guys made an impact at the NHL level right after being drafted and they are generally best served by getting bigger and stronger before being asked to play their game in the NHL.

Ashton needs at least 15 lbs and 1 year, maybe 2.
Agreed. Ashton definitely needs another year in WHL. But I wouldn't be the least surprised is he plays his handful of games this year considering Lawton has even said that he likes developing players in NHL (at draft this year).

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Obviously, it'd be nice for Ashton to get bigger, but I'm betting he will naturally fill out soon anyway. Being the strongest in this draft class is saying something, because there were some big, strong kids this year...

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From what I saw of Ashton at the Prospect camp, he looked very promising. But in the interviews, he didn't seem to be bursting with confidence and I think even he suggested he needs more time in the minors first. I say no need to rush him - let him marinate and build up his physical strength and confidence.

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I do not think Ashton will be on the Opening night roster. I don't even think he'll get 9 games in all season. Bring him to camp, acclimate him some to the franchise, send him back to the WHL.

I don't even think its too likely he makes the teams Opening night roster in 2010. Not down on him in any sense. He is big, he had a great year last year, he was a 1st round pick, and he seems to fit the mold of what Tocchet likes. That said, he will get bigger (mass more than height), he should get better (fundamentals), and hopefully by the time either of these happen he'll have had enogh little doses of professional hockey (AHL+NHL) that the jump won't be anywhere near as drastic as if he were fed to the wolves this year.

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If there arent alot of injuries to the forwards id say ashton stays down in the WHL the whole season.

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He still needs about 20 pounds, and some time in the AHL.

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From what I saw of Ashton at the Prospect camp, he looked very promising. But in the interviews, he didn't seem to be bursting with confidence and I think even he suggested he needs more time in the minors first. I say no need to rush him - let him marinate and build up his physical strength and confidence.
This says it all. Give him at least one year and he'll probably be good to go.

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I hate to revive a dead thread, but with Ashton having put on 20 lbs, it will be interesting to see how he does in exhibition.

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I will be paying attention. There is a possiblility that he will crack it. Then again he didn't exactly tear up the juniors last year. This coaching staff will really need to decide what to do with him. Love the fact that he's gotten bigger and stronger. Just a matter of putting it all together for him.

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Does anyone have stats on players that performed poorly in junior and made the NHL team they were drafted to and racked up the points?

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Does anyone have stats on players that performed poorly in junior and made the NHL team they were drafted to and racked up the points?
I wouldn't necessarily say he performed poorly, but did play a bit below expectations.

How is Alex doing? Tell him to keep his ass in the gym and don't come out until he can kick a hole through a car door for me.

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I didn't mean Carter Ashton had played poorly, I meant that he had performed below expectations of many.... sorry about that.

It is unfortunate that the timing of Alex's hernia surgery has affected his ability to work out. Diet is also modified when you cannot work out to build muscle. He should be able to join everyone on the ice during the next training camp.

I wonder when Tampa will sign both Richard and Alex.

Bobsled you are lucky to be able to watch the camps!

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Does anyone have stats on players that performed poorly in junior and made the NHL team they were drafted to and racked up the points?
David Booth comes to mind. I could think of a few more but their names are eluding me at the moment.

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Booth's best season was 08-09...it was unfortunate that he was injured this past season. I hope he is able to get back into form next season.

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